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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is bay to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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for the

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how you doing how you doing today is

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february 2nd 2021 33 days into the new

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we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjccr the game

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changer network and kgra

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the planet i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody what's going

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on out there

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anything special anything special

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all right here we go

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tonight what an amazing week on the show

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and tonight lou elizondo joins us

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lou is here for the first time we are

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the uap task force will we'll we'll get

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what is in the future for us in 2021

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and beyond we will do all of that and

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much more tonight with lou

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he'll be joining us at the bottom of the

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hour want to remind everybody

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about tomorrow night is the return of

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right here tomorrow night on the show

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very excited about that love daryl he's

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uh this month uh we're in february

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from today is the conscious life

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expo 2021 and daryl

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is featured there and on thursday night

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uh not only this year because i'm

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in in years past it's such a big event

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um and not only for our community but

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for the world it's it's it's the biggest

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this thursday all right and for tickets

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and info and everything else that you

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head over to jimmychurchradio.com we've

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got the links right there for conscious

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life expo

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you'll see the advertising just click on

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that and go get your tickets

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and uh yeah i am very

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now we got to get to today

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that landing also today

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russian opposition figure alexei navalny

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terms of a suspended sentence handed

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ruled that navalny had failed to

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that amazon web services ceo

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retirement the company had kept its

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succession plans quiet although

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its inception aws continues to drive

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much of amazon's profit there you go

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incredible news day today let's get this

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happy birthday to today shakira

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shakira today is 44 years old

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what shakira is not 44.

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is she that young man

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christy brinkley today is 67

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howard bellamy of the bellamy brothers

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one of the greatest songs in the history

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of everything let your love flow

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journey basis ross valerie today

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is 72. we have been talking about

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i i can't figure all of this out but

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another man with his brother talk show i

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saw a talk show open for aerosmith

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year but i did see them open for

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our dead guy's birthday today is farrah

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fawcett

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1947 and 2009 died at the age of 62.

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globe award nominee

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and rose two huge huge international

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fame when she played jill monroe in the

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first season

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of charlie's angels back in 1976.

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every young man in america had her

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poster on their bedroom wall

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including yours truly and they wore her

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t-shirt every day to school

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that's what they did and this is a fact

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fair died of cancer on june 25 2009 at

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the age of 62 at st

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john's health center right here in santa

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monica california with ryan o'neal

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and alana stewart by her side happy

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birthday

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pharah on this day in history otd

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1979 sex pistol sid vicious dies of a

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drug overdose in new york

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city in the manhattan apartment of his

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new girlfriend

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michelle robeson here's your fader fact

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iceland iceland

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largest banana plantation in all of

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europe i'm just going to leave that

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tonight very special guest lou elizondo

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joining us he'll be with us at the

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bottom of the hour tomorrow night

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is daryl anka and bashar thursday's

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another fader night with our cle

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2021 special event followed by open

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lines all night long

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all right let me hit this river moon

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coffee what a great show we've got

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but um

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i need this river moon coffee

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fade to black blend best coffee in the

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world i never would have thought

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that i would have my own coffee

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right my picture on the front

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of a bag of beans how cool is that

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you excited

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well

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tonight tonight lou

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lozano joins us for the first time on

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fade to black

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and i know that many of you out there

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are very excited to finally get lou on

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the show

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and and i'm certainly with you on that

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and you probably

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have thought that tonight's conversation

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would never happen

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and i get that too but let me

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make a few things clear in advance

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of lou joining us at the bottom of the

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first i have said this many

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many times over the last few years

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before we put all of our complete

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trust in them and their mission

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we have to let some time pass

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and then we'll be able to see what's

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really going on now that

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has been my position my take on this

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has not changed and this mindset

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is the same with anyone or any group

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that comes along into the ufo field

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trust in this community is earned

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it is not a right

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second the marketing and public

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relations

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that were behind ttsa was strong

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and being able to fund these efforts

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takes money

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ttsa was willing to spend it

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ttsa was employing some of the best

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pr in the business all of this

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to get their message out and

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for that we should all be thankful

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okay i'm very very grateful

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i am and i've said this

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over and over again

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okay i can't say it enough ttsa was able

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to get the ufo question into the

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worldwide media like

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never before in the history of the

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they did any

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criticism of ttsa

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that has gone down out there in

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conversations with the ufo community and

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beyond

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all of that was always answered with but

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yeah you may be right but yeah you're

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probably right

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but they've done more for

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ufos than anybody else in the history of

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anything they

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brought it into the media we've got

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tucker carlson we've got cnn we've got

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the bbc

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everybody is talking about we've got the

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new york times

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yes absolutely 100

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correct now i want to go back and i will

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say this

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again back on december 17 2017

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is driving my car listening to kfi

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talk radio here in los angeles listening

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to the breaking news i'm just driving my

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car down the road

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well it was announced today by the new

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york times that the pentagon has a

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secret ufo group that is

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investigating ufos

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and i almost crashed my car and

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that is not some metaphor

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i listened to that and by the time i got

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home

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i had heard this three times on the

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radio

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i'm jumping on my cell phone while i'm

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driving which is illegal i get i get

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home i'm i'm

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talking to rita phones are just ringing

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and that night we went live

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on a saturday with fade to black the

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days of disclosure here we go

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i was excited okay

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i realize what a good pr team

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can do okay

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are we clear third

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just over a couple of years ago as the

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questions about ttsa started to get

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asked

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by me and others i sent an email to tom

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and everyone over at ttsa

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i also had a couple of journalists

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copied in that email too as well i

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wanted everybody to make sure that

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uh there was no questions about

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the list of questions that email

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had a list of 10 questions that i wanted

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addressed

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and i got replies immediately

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and those replies from different

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individuals we're basically

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quote jimmy quit asking questions you

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don't understand the big picture

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we do and and

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some of these replies were from some

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people that i know

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quite well and

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skating the issues the last time i spoke

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with tom delonge

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was last summer and

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uh we talked about at that time

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we talked about him coming on the show

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on fade to black to to promote

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unidentified

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and he said at that time

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that and i'm quoting here he said i

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don't want to answer any questions

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that the ufo community wants you to ask

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me as i wait a minute

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tom i said well

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and that was it

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that was it that was a year ago

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i knew at that point

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that when it comes to ttsa in the future

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i'll just report the breaking news when

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it happens and

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i said this publicly i think i posted it

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i mentioned it on the show

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but at the time i meant it and i'm still

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and that was because of the conversation

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i had with tom

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i need all of you to understand this

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and lastly

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this is all of this ultimately

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is why i had said that ttsa would never

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let lou

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come on the show that this would never

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you know back then it was a different it

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was a different situation and i was

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asking questions and i was poking around

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and they wanted to control the narrative

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they wanted to control it that's fine

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but i knew that having lou on the show

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and people were asking me about this and

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that includes

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chris mellon you know or anyone else

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over at ttsa

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but this would never happen ever but

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today

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now and i need this to be very clear

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here

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behind the scenes

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things that will never be talked about

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not even in my tell-all book that'll be

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my death

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i just won't talk about it ever

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it's just who i am and today lou finds

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himself in the same position

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there's no reason everyone

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for drama and i know that there are

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those

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out there that thrive on it but

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it's just not going to happen folks not

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tonight

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but that doesn't mean i won't ask the

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tough questions tonight

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and trust me lou is expecting them

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he wants them and

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i think that in the past he's gotten way

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too many

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and i mean that with the greatest of

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respect but what's the fun in that

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what's the fun in that for lou there's

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no fun in that

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you have to ask the tough questions

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but what's the fun in that well i'll

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answer that for you

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none there is no fun

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you got to do it all right

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all right i mean i i i want i want lou

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i said this to him today i want lou to

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say hey

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i can't answer that i i want him

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because that allows me to

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press and have a follow-up question

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that's exactly what that is it's my job

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we'll see what we can do okay

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now i'll never forget

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when someone from ttsa

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looked me straight in the eye straight

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in the eye

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said and i quote

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jimmy we don't care about the ufo

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community

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their support or concerns just doesn't

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matter

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they don't know the truth about ufos we

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do

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end quote and i just stood there trying

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to keep my composure

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and i did i was cool

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now when these words are said to me

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you don't have to wonder why i started

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to poke around into ttsa

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and what their message was to the world

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and who was doing it

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yes i was on a mission and now you know

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why or at least the stuff i can talk

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about

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so in closing i'll leave you with this

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i've been chasing the ufo question for

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almost 50 years five

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decades of dedication

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and i truly believe that we are closer

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than

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ever before to real answers

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from official sources i can feel it

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and you can feel it too now

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there is a time and a place

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for everything everything happens for a

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and right now it's fade to black

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and the conversation i'm about to have

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tonight

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is joining us for the first time we're

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going to be talking about ttsa the

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future of disclosure the ufo

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community his background what's his take

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what is he seeing what does he know

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we're gonna do

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all of that tonight and a whole lot more

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tomorrow

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right here on fade to black daryl anka

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in bashar thursday night is another

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fader night this isn't just

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another fader night though okay we're

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gonna have open lines all night long

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but we're gonna have robert q

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quicksilver with us

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we're gonna have serena wright taylor

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here and we're gonna have

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t celise with our conscious life expo

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2021 special

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preview event followed by open lines all

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night long i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black you can follow me

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on twitter at j

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church radio you can follow lou lou

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elizondo at

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well at lou elizondo right there on

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twitter

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feed

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i'll be right back after this short

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break stay with us

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[Music]

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this is nicole church daughter of you

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know who and you're listening to fade to

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fade to black is not

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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[Music]

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00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,149
okay welcome back paid to black i'm

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yours jimmy church tonight

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00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,440
lou elizondo is here tomorrow night

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is daryl anka bashar thursday night

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00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:42,320
is another fader night in our 2021

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special preview

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event followed by open lines all night

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long what a great week on the show

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00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,960
tonight it's lou lou lou earned his

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00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,039
degree from the university of miami with

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00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,480
majors in microbiology immunology and

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advanced research experience in tropical

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diseases

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00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,760
lou spent several years serving in the

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united states army

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00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,360
and was later recruited into a special

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activities program

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00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,960
he has served as an intelligence officer

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00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,880
and senior special agent throughout

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00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,640
latin america the caribbean

678
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:15,200
and the middle east in 2008 he began

679
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,080
working with

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00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,919
the advanced aerospace threat

681
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,919
identification program otherwise known

682
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,039
as atip

683
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,679
and in 2010 he assumed the leadership

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00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:24,080
role

685
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:27,559
for that effort in 2017 he

686
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,799
resigned in protest due to over secrecy

687
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,320
and a lack of transparency

688
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:35,360
into the important topic of ufo since

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00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,919
then

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00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,080
he has been engaged in the effort to

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00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,159
disclose the truth about this phenomenon

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00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,159
along with other key individuals

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and i would like to welcome for the

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first time to fade to black mr lou

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00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,200
elizondo lou good evening man how are

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00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:48,640
you

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00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,080
me i sincerely appreciate

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00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,559
it and uh really really looking forward

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00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,240
to engaging you and your audience

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00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,480
um this is definitely my pleasure i

701
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,679
think i'm probably getting the better

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00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,200
end of the deal out of this

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00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,120
but uh thank you for having me

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00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,960
absolutely and uh

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00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,120
that'll be the last mr church i hear

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00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:08,399
tonight okay

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00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,760
are we cool with that good copy okay

708
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,960
good jimmy you got it

709
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,679
now um uh you're a first time guest so

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00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,000
you get the first time guest disclaimer

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00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:19,280
lou next time you're on the show you're

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00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,320
not going to get it

713
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:23,119
but you get it tonight and it is this

714
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,520
lou

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00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,440
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

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00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,280
having a conversation as friends

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00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,520
where that conversation starts it starts

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00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,800
where it ends it ends

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00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,560
but we're going to end his friends there

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00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:34,639
you go simple

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00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,760
now absolutely okay i'm gonna start with

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00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,359
a general statement

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00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,560
uh for everybody so they understand

724
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,960
uh uh this conversation that we are

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00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,000
about to have

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00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:49,919
um this conversation is un unscripted

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00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,800
it's uncentered uh uh uncensored

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00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,040
uncentered it'll be that too as well

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00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:58,320
and um unrehearsed and

730
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,400
uh i have zero questions prepared

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00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,680
and you have stressed to me over the

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00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:06,640
last week

733
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,000
jimmy ask me anything and i want the

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00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:12,560
uh the audience to understand that this

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00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,040
is

736
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,800
what they are going to get tonight are

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00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,880
we on the same page lou

738
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,359
you got it all right now let's start

739
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,839
here i'm i'm going to start

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00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:25,200
um uh to clear the air

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00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,800
for everybody and for the audience

742
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,680
tonight and and i want to say this

743
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:31,599
clandestine operations

744
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,720
uh counterintelligence uh secret

745
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,079
operations going on

746
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,359
overseas special agent james bond

747
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:42,400
right um how can

748
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:46,960
the audience trust the conversation

749
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:50,079
with tonight with your background that

750
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,040
you have been

751
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,119
very uh forthwith about

752
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,800
how can they trust the conversation that

753
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,880
we are about to have

754
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,960
well they don't have to trust it um you

755
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,320
know frankly i

756
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,079
the purpose of me being on this radio

757
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:06,880
show is nothing more than to

758
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,000
get the conversation to to continue uh

759
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,800
moving forward i think dialogue is very

760
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,480
important i'm not asking anybody to

761
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:16,400
believe me i'm not asking anybody to

762
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,280
agree with me

763
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,400
i'm not asking anybody to take my side

764
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,520
in fact i think contrary positions and

765
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,800
opinions are good i think they're

766
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healthy

767
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,040
and i think that's what what

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00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,359
conversation is about and the fact that

769
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,599
we can even have this conversation

770
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,839
on this radio program about this topic

771
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,520
in this country says a lot

772
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,119
and at the end of the day if all i

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00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,720
accomplish

774
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,200
in this radio program are more people

775
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:42,640
having the conversation then i've

776
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,359
succeeded

777
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,160
um to answer your question why trust me

778
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,839
don't i don't really give a damn people

779
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,119
trust me or not

780
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,680
uh the bottom line is that my my

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00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,560
background

782
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:55,040
in intelligence has been used against

783
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,680
the enemy

784
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,800
not americans

785
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:01,280
the these skills that i've i've i've

786
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:01,920
learned

787
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,960
uh for the past uh 20 some odd years

788
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,760
has been used in in combat and in

789
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,200
warfare against the enemy

790
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,520
um i swore an oath and allegiance to

791
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,200
protect this country from all enemies

792
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,480
foreign and domestic

793
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,119
um you know i was on the other side of

794
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,960
the firing line my job was to protect

795
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,079
americans not

796
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,720
not uh deceive them um yes it's true

797
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,920
that within the world of counter

798
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,599
intelligence and intelligence

799
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,359
uh you learn a lot of tradecraft and

800
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,640
that tradecraft uh

801
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,560
when employed against the enemy can be

802
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,760
very very effective

803
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,280
but you never use it against your own

804
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,040
people in the past i think there's

805
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,720
people who have long memories

806
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,440
in the 60s uh and and of course in the

807
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,640
early 70s

808
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,480
there was a history of abuse by the

809
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,640
american government and its people

810
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,960
against people uh and there were things

811
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,160
that involved

812
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:50,800
horrible things atrocities from from

813
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,520
spying on

814
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:54,480
student groups and colleges to horrible

815
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,359
experiments

816
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,440
involving syphilis and other type of

817
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,880
things and of course electro koolaid

818
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,920
acid tests

819
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:02,160
so so we haven't always behaved very

820
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,960
well

821
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,200
as intelligence personnel and so

822
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,119
thankfully congress decided to

823
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,079
to change the laws and make it very very

824
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,760
very difficult especially the last

825
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,040
quarter century

826
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,880
for anybody in the intelligence

827
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,800
community to do anything

828
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,640
wrong against the american people

829
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,560
there's actually laws now

830
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,320
preventing that from happening there's a

831
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:24,079
inspector general oversight there's

832
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,119
attorneys

833
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,560
so uh you know like you say in your your

834
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,400
radio broadcast this is not your

835
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,160
father's radio uh

836
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,560
station this is not your father's

837
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,280
government

838
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,320
um we've come a long way in

839
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,640
in the way we do business and certainly

840
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,160
um when i joined

841
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,839
the military and then later the u.s

842
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,960
government and the intelligence

843
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,160
community

844
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,560
i didn't i didn't join to to harm the

845
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,240
american people i joined to help the

846
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,320
american people that's an oath i take

847
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,240
i take very seriously and ultimately at

848
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,440
the end of the day if people don't want

849
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,480
to believe it well

850
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,720
you know don't believe it that's that's

851
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,800
not what i'm here for

852
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,680
let's uh i want to start in the present

853
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,119
before we go

854
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:08,400
backwards uh tonight and but

855
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:12,480
uh let's start in with today

856
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,119
why did you choose to leave ttsa

857
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,640
well that was a mutual decision uh ttsa

858
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,800
was a great company and it absolutely

859
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,560
accomplished the missions we set out

860
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,880
uh for it to accomplish and i i can go

861
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,680
back and and

862
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,680
probably list off the top 10 things but

863
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:31,040
i'm not going to waste your time in your

864
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,160
audience's time

865
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,359
uh rehashing that um but bottom line is

866
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,960
i think i think we were successful in

867
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,760
our mission

868
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,599
but let's not forget and i've said this

869
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,440
before

870
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,079
the the the battle space if you will of

871
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,240
disclosure is constantly evolving

872
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,000
um it's like when you're playing chess

873
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,760
you don't ever keep your pieces on the

874
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,560
chess board

875
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,359
static you win by moving and out

876
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,720
maneuvering your enemy so in this

877
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,400
particular case

878
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,720
from my personal perspective the enemy

879
00:40:03,430 --> 00:39:59,760
is is over

880
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:03,440
secrecy um of of this topic of uaps of

881
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,240
ufos

882
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,760
that historically has plagued the

883
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,920
government for for a very long time

884
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,079
so in order to accomplish this goal the

885
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,680
battle space is constantly

886
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,480
evolving i think you have to evolve your

887
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:16,800
tactics and your strategy with it

888
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,920
being with ttsa was never the end game

889
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,920
for myself for chris mellon or steve

890
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:23,680
justice it was

891
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,720
at the time the appropriate step to take

892
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,920
to get the initial job done but

893
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,720
now that that initial job is complete we

894
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,280
are now

895
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,520
moving our pieces on the chessboard if

896
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,280
you will or in the battle space

897
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:40,079
to to now launch phase two of this

898
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,720
endeavor

899
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:43,440
um and i'll keep it i'll keep it simple

900
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,000
at that

901
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,440
well uh what what was

902
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,400
the mission was the mission and i want

903
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:52,480
to put words in your mouth but was

904
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,560
the mission to push this out into the

905
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,280
public

906
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,560
and into the media was that the mission

907
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,720
because if that was the mission

908
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,520
mission successful complete yeah let me

909
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,040
let me uh give you just a very quick

910
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,800
anecdote that the five pillars of our

911
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:09,680
emphasis

912
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,640
were always legislative uh engagement uh

913
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,680
senior executive

914
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:16,400
engagement in the executive branch uh

915
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,520
engagement with with

916
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:20,000
foreign partners and allies and then the

917
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,200
fourth pillar was

918
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,400
engaging the media and then the fifth

919
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,480
pillar was engaging the general public

920
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,520
and i think we we did accomplish a lot

921
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,359
of what we set out to do initially

922
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,560
a lot of people ask well why tom delong

923
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,200
and my response to that is well why not

924
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,359
tom has a voice very much

925
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,520
like me being on your radio show today

926
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,480
uh you know

927
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,560
jimmy you are you are known as a radio

928
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,119
personality among many other things

929
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280
and you have a voice whether whether

930
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:49,119
people want to agree with your position

931
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,839
or not

932
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:52,240
you have a voice and and as a result

933
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,359
people listen

934
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,480
well tom de long has a voice and

935
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,760
you don't always have to agree

936
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,680
necessarily with his perspective just

937
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,960
like you don't have to agree with mine

938
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,160
or anybody else's

939
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,400
but he's a very effective communicator

940
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,560
uh he's made a history

941
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,680
and a very successful history of of

942
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,760
of in indian entertainment world and

943
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,680
being kind of that if you will that

944
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,480
shock rocker punk rocker uh that went

945
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,599
against the system

946
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,680
and if you look at the topic of ufos and

947
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,720
uaps

948
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,560
you know there's really a lot of synergy

949
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,319
there's a lot of commonality i'm looking

950
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:25,760
right now at your screen i see a bunch

951
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,079
of

952
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,000
you know awesome guitars electric

953
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,400
guitars hanging in the background

954
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,160
uh you know music and entertainment is

955
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,480
very effective way to communicate

956
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,800
and sometimes in a crowded room amongst

957
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,760
many voices

958
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,760
you need a bullhorn and and in this

959
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,960
particular case

960
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,440
uh very much like you tom is that

961
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,400
bullhorn he

962
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:49,040
he can he can get the message out i've

963
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,599
often

964
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:52,400
told people uh you know people ask me

965
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,599
isn't tom a little bit like

966
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,280
like a bull in a china shop and my

967
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,599
response is well no tom is more like a

968
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,400
hand grenade

969
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:00,720
in in the punch bowl i mean it's it's

970
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,520
it's uh

971
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,800
it can be violent at times but very

972
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:05,599
effective

973
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,440
and so i i think um using that platform

974
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,720
initially was a great way to get out the

975
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,560
message as quickly as possible to the

976
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,000
broadest audience

977
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,720
um you know in in a fairly effective way

978
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,880
now hindsight being 2020

979
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,960
could we have done things differently

980
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:25,200
well sure hindsight's always 20 20 right

981
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:26,240
i'm sure there's things we do in our

982
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,200
daily lives that

983
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,800
we probably look back and say well i

984
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,760
wish i'd have done that a little bit

985
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,640
differently

986
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,599
um but for the most part i feel very

987
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,880
satisfied

988
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,560
that we were able to accomplish much of

989
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:38,640
what we set out to do with ttsa

990
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:41,680
now what about the uh

991
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,040
not necessarily the investors

992
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,200
that that purchased you know stock

993
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:48,720
options into

994
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:51,920
ttsa but the original presentations

995
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,680
uh that you were part of uh back in 2017

996
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,240
with the talk of and advancing the

997
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,800
technology bringing it into the civilian

998
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,440
sector

999
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,119
you're gonna have a technology division

1000
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:05,040
of course steve justice was a part of

1001
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:05,839
that

1002
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,200
another pillar of ttsa what what happens

1003
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,920
what happens with that angle well it's

1004
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,280
it's still there and it's still evolving

1005
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,720
we still have the creative

1006
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,079
which is the research agreement with the

1007
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,400
us government we still have

1008
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,560
capabilities such as the adam project

1009
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,240
and the vault and scout

1010
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,440
uh and and other efforts such as the the

1011
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,839
payton project which is working with the

1012
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,760
first nations of saskatchewan trying to

1013
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,079
record the oral traditions of indigenous

1014
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,040
indigenous people so those those efforts

1015
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,119
are still very much alive

1016
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,960
and we are actually currently right now

1017
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,200
as as we speak believe it or not

1018
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,000
working on furthering those efforts um

1019
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:49,359
they're they're certainly not dead in

1020
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,240
the water

1021
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,880
it's like any time you shift gears right

1022
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,160
there's a transition

1023
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:56,480
involved in that and we're now looking

1024
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,359
at a

1025
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:00,400
at the most effective way to to

1026
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,560
succeed in those areas now the

1027
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,760
uh ttsa website um

1028
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:11,040
uh has has been scrubbed you're you're

1029
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,560
no longer there

1030
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,400
um along with chris mellon of course

1031
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:17,040
chief justice it has the finality

1032
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,720
of that set in and and

1033
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,640
you know because it's been a part of

1034
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,480
your life for the last three years

1035
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,480
and to not see that i expected it to

1036
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,000
still be there maybe it wasn't

1037
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,119
updated yet but but it was gone and

1038
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,720
has that sunk in uh yeah sure i mean

1039
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,800
as a military person you're used to

1040
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,119
every three years having a new job

1041
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,720
that's just kind of the way uniformed

1042
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,240
services go

1043
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:44,560
no one is assigned to a duty position

1044
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,520
forever

1045
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:48,400
there's there's a lot of turnover so for

1046
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:48,880
me

1047
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,000
um it it you know has it sunk in

1048
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,359
um yes but in a way because i'm still

1049
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,359
friends with everybody there

1050
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,040
it's literally just a phone call away i

1051
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,440
i can every time i go to california i

1052
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,640
can swing by and

1053
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,640
go grab a cup of coffee with tom or

1054
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,119
anybody else in the office

1055
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,960
hal is still a very close friend of mine

1056
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,480
i still maintain close communications

1057
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,839
with jim semivan

1058
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,160
so and of course all the advisors as

1059
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,560
well such as dr norm khan et cetera

1060
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,920
so my leaving the company um

1061
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,680
isn't what a lot of people think people

1062
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:23,440
think oh they got disgruntled and there

1063
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,240
was some big

1064
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,800
fiasco inside that really wasn't the

1065
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,599
case

1066
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,040
as far as the daily runnings of the

1067
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:31,119
business i'm not a business guy to be

1068
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,480
honest with you i couldn't tell you

1069
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,599
anything about it

1070
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,720
i know there were some people

1071
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,119
specifically brought into ttsa

1072
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,680
to manage the business portion i'm not a

1073
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,880
business guy

1074
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,440
and frankly i'm not i'm not a i'm not an

1075
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,040
entertainer either so

1076
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,960
there really wasn't a super great fit

1077
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:49,119
for me um as you probably know in a lot

1078
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,079
of your listeners

1079
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,880
the ttsa core mission has begin to lift

1080
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,680
and shift

1081
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,200
and to focus primarily on the

1082
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,680
entertainment piece and i think that's

1083
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,599
that's probably prudent because it gives

1084
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,440
you probably a better chance of

1085
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,040
near-term investment return on

1086
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,640
investment for those people who have

1087
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,359
who have contributed money and invested

1088
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:08,720
in ttsa

1089
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,880
so that's probably a prudent idea um

1090
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,880
again forgive me because i i don't i

1091
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,000
really don't have the authority to speak

1092
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,440
on behalf of ttsa

1093
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,520
uh hey i'm not an employee and b i just

1094
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,200
i wasn't in the business process

1095
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,440
uh of of the daily you know daily

1096
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,359
activities of the company

1097
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,079
but i do know that the the emphasis was

1098
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,680
to start focusing on a

1099
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,359
on a more immediate return on investment

1100
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:33,520
for for for those investors that are out

1101
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:34,160
there

1102
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:38,240
now uh very early on the

1103
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,240
uh the message that was being pushed out

1104
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,359
uh through various media organizations

1105
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:47,040
by ttsa

1106
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,800
was using the word threat

1107
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:53,920
and i think that the perception uh

1108
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:57,520
by anybody not only the ufo community

1109
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,839
but

1110
00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:00,400
anybody reading this outside of the ufo

1111
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:01,440
community

1112
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,119
uh sees threat equates that with fear

1113
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,400
and that was the totality of the message

1114
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:10,480
coming out of ttsa

1115
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,920
were you concerned about that well sure

1116
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,599
but let's not forget where where i come

1117
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,119
from i come from

1118
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:19,119
the the national security apparatus of

1119
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,240
our country

1120
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,240
being part of the intelligence community

1121
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,680
and department of defense

1122
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,280
there's always a potential threat

1123
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,800
narrative otherwise

1124
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,200
you know put this over to epa or you

1125
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,720
know department of interior or some

1126
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,720
other organization to handle or

1127
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,640
or you know health and human services or

1128
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,839
even nasa

1129
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,280
the fact that it's in department of

1130
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,359
defense the word defense

1131
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,720
is in its very title um the job of the

1132
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,319
department of defense is to go and fight

1133
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:45,520
and win wars

1134
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,800
very quickly and and very efficiently

1135
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,559
it's not really to engage in

1136
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,559
humanitarian assistance or anything like

1137
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,400
that or ask the bigger questions

1138
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,160
that frankly the scientific community

1139
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,839
and academia is probably better postured

1140
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,200
to answer such as

1141
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,720
what are the intentions and where are

1142
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,800
they from and all that we were looking

1143
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,319
at two fundamental things

1144
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,280
what is it and how does it work and from

1145
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,040
a dod perspective

1146
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,640
just take this for a moment if you have

1147
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,720
something flying around

1148
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,720
that you don't know what it is you don't

1149
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,000
know how it works and there's not

1150
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,160
frankly a damn thing you can do about it

1151
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,400
is that a threat well from a nationalist

1152
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,640
national security perspective it could

1153
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,720
be if it wanted to be let's let's

1154
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,880
let's superimpose this idea if these

1155
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,720
things happen to have let's say

1156
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,920
uh a russian star on the tail or a north

1157
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,119
korean tail number

1158
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,960
and they were flying over our populated

1159
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,480
cities what would happen

1160
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,359
well we would scramble f-22s immediately

1161
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:40,960
norad would be alerted and it'd be on

1162
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,280
the front page of cnn and fox news

1163
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:46,160
um that's that's the reality we don't

1164
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,800
like things

1165
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:49,040
into what we call air domain awareness

1166
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,480
we don't like things

1167
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,000
flying in our airspace that we don't

1168
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,160
know what they are um so

1169
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,599
yeah there's a potential threat there

1170
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,520
i've often used and i'm going to digress

1171
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,280
here jimmy just for a second

1172
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,800
uh it's it's a little bit of a

1173
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,800
long-winded analogy but it might help

1174
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:04,480
put things into perspective for some of

1175
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,440
your your

1176
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,319
your audience and i've said this analogy

1177
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:09,920
before so forgive me if

1178
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,520
it seems old um but if i may ask jimmy

1179
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:14,960
don't you have to be specific but

1180
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,079
where do you live i live in burbank okay

1181
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,520
burbank beautiful city

1182
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,599
let me ask you at night do you lock the

1183
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,040
front door

1184
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:26,079
sometimes okay and i'm sure you live in

1185
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,440
a great neighborhood you don't expect

1186
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,800
anything bad to happen

1187
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,880
so you lock that front door just to be

1188
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,839
careful right

1189
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,680
and you might even go the extra step

1190
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,359
maybe you'll check once in a while the

1191
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,800
windows the front windows make sure

1192
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,920
they're secure

1193
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,359
and when you go to bed you might even

1194
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,599
turn the alarm system on just for extra

1195
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,720
precaution

1196
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,240
let's say one morning you wake up and

1197
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,599
you come downstairs and you're gonna

1198
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,000
have a nice hot cup of coffee or tea

1199
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,760
and you walk downstairs and all of a

1200
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,920
sudden there are muddy boot prints

1201
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:54,480
in your living room now no one's been

1202
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,960
hurt

1203
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,880
nothing's been taken nothing's out of

1204
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:59,440
place but despite you locking the front

1205
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,000
door

1206
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,760
that night before and the windows and

1207
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,599
turning on the alarm there's now muddy

1208
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,440
boot prints that weren't there the night

1209
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,240
before

1210
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,559
my question to you and your audience is

1211
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,920
is that a threat

1212
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,319
and my response would be well it could

1213
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,920
be if it wanted to be so we better

1214
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,119
figure it out

1215
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,880
and that's where that threat narrative

1216
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,400
came from it's the fact that we

1217
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,640
don't know what this is we in order to

1218
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,160
determine what a threat is in

1219
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,160
in government speak there's two pieces

1220
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,000
of the equation you have to have

1221
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,720
intent versus capabilities now we've

1222
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,400
seen some of the capabilities

1223
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,119
which are pretty incredible we have no

1224
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,400
idea the intent

1225
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,040
so therefore it's a big question mark we

1226
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:39,440
can't say definitively that it is or it

1227
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,000
is not

1228
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:43,119
a threat so the prudent perspective to

1229
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,920
have is that

1230
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,599
well maybe we should try to figure it

1231
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,680
out and and again not trying to fear

1232
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,880
monger because i know there's a lot of

1233
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,079
people out there that

1234
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,680
consider themselves quote-unquote

1235
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,359
experiencers and they say oh no it's

1236
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,880
great it's wonderful

1237
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,559
but what about for those that it's not

1238
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,000
so great and wonderful for those that

1239
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:59,760
have reported terrifying incidents

1240
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,960
for being taken away against your own

1241
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:03,680
volition

1242
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,720
you know in in terms of of of an

1243
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,040
investigator which is my background

1244
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,760
if i take you somewhere and you call for

1245
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,960
an uber and you want to go to the

1246
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,640
airport but in the meantime i go

1247
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,800
and i take uh i take you to go pick up

1248
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,319
my clothes from the laundry and then i

1249
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,319
go get pizza

1250
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,920
whether it's a nice ride or not that's

1251
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:24,000
called kidnapping that's a felony it's

1252
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,720
illegal

1253
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,800
because i'm taking you somewhere against

1254
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,839
your free will

1255
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,599
and god forbid if i even touch you

1256
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,440
because i touch you now that's assault

1257
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:34,079
right these are crimes and i understand

1258
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,119
that people

1259
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,200
get very emotional about the whole idea

1260
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,119
about you know the threat narrative and

1261
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,640
lou you're fear-mongering

1262
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,720
no i'm not i've got two daughters and

1263
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,319
i'll be damned if you know

1264
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,760
i'm gonna i don't even trust their

1265
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,599
boyfriend so

1266
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,960
why in the hell would i trust something

1267
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:50,640
that that i have

1268
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,520
zero information on other than some of

1269
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,720
the capabilities

1270
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,640
that's that's just from my perspective

1271
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,960
with my background

1272
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,880
that's kind of my dna and that's kind of

1273
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:03,200
the dna of of the department of defense

1274
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,079
and frankly

1275
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,920
i would submit to you want them to be

1276
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,079
that way you don't want them taking

1277
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:09,680
chances just because

1278
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,319
we don't know something i don't think i

1279
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:13,440
think it's too early to make a

1280
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,000
presumption

1281
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:16,240
one way or the other i i think we need

1282
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:17,359
more data i think we need more

1283
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,319
information

1284
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,680
in order that we can make that

1285
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:21,839
determination and then decide what we

1286
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,480
want to do

1287
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:25,280
as as as a society as as a people as a

1288
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,920
country

1289
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,040
yeah i uh i'm a military brat my dad did

1290
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,720
30 years in the army

1291
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,680
um i lived on uh bases all around the

1292
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,359
country all around the world

1293
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,040
and uh i totally respect uh the military

1294
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,720
in the military life it's

1295
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,520
it's an awesome experience uh with that

1296
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,680
but my dad never fired a gun

1297
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:48,240
he was band leader in the army band so

1298
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:48,720
let me

1299
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,760
just say that hey you know what he was

1300
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,920
smarter than me

1301
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,319
i i often thought that he he kind of

1302
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,240
outsmarted everybody on that one

1303
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:01,040
um uh he didn't do anything after basic

1304
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:01,839
training

1305
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,680
but but that being said was there any

1306
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,760
is the department of defense in any

1307
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:10,880
branch

1308
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:14,800
sitting on knowledge of of threats

1309
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,079
has there been any hostile activity that

1310
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:20,880
would warrant the threat narrative

1311
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,920
so that's it grin great question jimmy

1312
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,800
because

1313
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,280
the term threat there can be something

1314
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,400
like uh

1315
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,400
in terms of a direct threat which we all

1316
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,760
kind of imagine being like a foreign

1317
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:32,880
adversarial threat

1318
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,839
but then there's indirect threats um

1319
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,680
another analogy i like to use

1320
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,680
that you know they have a fence around

1321
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,079
around the tarmac of an airport

1322
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,520
so people don't get too close partly

1323
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,359
that is up there for your own protection

1324
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,160
obviously if i get too close to a 747

1325
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,000
about to take off

1326
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,599
there's gonna be some injuries i'm gonna

1327
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:55,200
probably get burned i might go deaf

1328
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,240
because of the

1329
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,359
the sound and the acoustic uh if you

1330
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:00,559
will signature

1331
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,920
um that is a biological threat um it may

1332
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,480
not be

1333
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,960
a purposeful intentful threat by the

1334
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,079
aircraft to harm

1335
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,880
me but if there's an environmental issue

1336
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,920
there and so

1337
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:13,440
i think a lot of people look and say

1338
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,160
well was there any provocative action

1339
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,440
by by one of these uaps well

1340
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:21,359
that depends what is your definition of

1341
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:22,720
provocative because

1342
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:25,920
for me if if i'm flying an f-18 at

1343
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,599
cruising altitude let's say at mach 1

1344
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,359
and all of a sudden something is

1345
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,040
approaching my aircraft

1346
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,880
uh at a much greater speed and comes

1347
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,640
within 50 feet of my aircraft

1348
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,720
well that's an air safety issue you know

1349
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,880
that's that's a threat now it's not a

1350
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,040
it's not a direct threat in the way of a

1351
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,720
hostility that this thing is trying to

1352
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,319
shoot you or shoot you down

1353
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,720
but there's still a threat to safety so

1354
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,240
you know it's

1355
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,440
as we unpackage this term threat

1356
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,200
it's it's really not quite that simple

1357
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:57,040
there's a lot of different layers and

1358
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,079
strata

1359
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,720
to to that term threat some of it is a

1360
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:02,240
direct some of it is indirect some of it

1361
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,520
is unintentional some of it may be

1362
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,400
intentional

1363
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,559
um i think what you're asking me and

1364
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:07,839
please correct me if i'm wrong

1365
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,119
has there been any direct provocation by

1366
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,160
a ufo uap against

1367
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:17,520
a dod or a us government equity is that

1368
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,920
correct

1369
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:20,319
yes anybody shot at each other have you

1370
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,040
seen

1371
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,160
any reports is is the department of

1372
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:25,760
defense in any branch

1373
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:29,760
sitting on this have you seen any of it

1374
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:32,880
i have seen data that suggests that

1375
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,480
they have uh these these uap have a

1376
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:39,359
ability a direct ability to interfere

1377
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,000
with our

1378
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:43,200
nuclear strike capability both in

1379
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:44,319
defense and

1380
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:48,720
in in response to a a a nuclear threat

1381
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,280
so for me um anything that has the

1382
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,200
ability to interfere with that

1383
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,480
um could be could be problematic

1384
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,720
um put it this way if you and i were to

1385
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,079
go walk on to

1386
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:03,119
uh uh you know let's say oscar or

1387
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:04,400
november site up in

1388
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,760
in you know the part of my northern part

1389
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,720
of montana

1390
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,760
you and i would be quickly surrounded by

1391
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:14,160
people with a lot of machine guns and

1392
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,200
probably

1393
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,799
escorted away very quickly and

1394
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,200
questioned quite rigorously right

1395
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,640
because that's a potential threat

1396
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,640
perceived threat to our national

1397
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,200
capability response capability well

1398
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:27,200
these things have the ability seemingly

1399
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:27,839
to

1400
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,559
fly over our area without impunity and

1401
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,400
have the ability to interfere with our

1402
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,000
capability and

1403
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:36,000
if it's not scary enough that they have

1404
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,040
the ability to take

1405
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,319
our systems offline we have information

1406
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,720
that over in russia it actually

1407
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,359
uh interfered and brought those nuclear

1408
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:46,960
capabilities in russia

1409
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,000
online so that's

1410
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,960
that's a whole different equation now

1411
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,319
we're talking about

1412
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:57,119
um and i think i'll probably i'll leave

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it at that

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okay there you go we we need to take a a

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quick break here

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um and when we come back uh we'll

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continue the conversation

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except we're going to change a little

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bit of a direction

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having fun you got it let's take our

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am your host jimmy church i don't think

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that's not going to happen

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[Laughter]

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they might hate you more than to hate me

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight lou

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elizondo is here i want to remind

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everybody tomorrow night

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daryl anka bashar is here and thursday

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event and uh tonight it's all about lou

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though

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and a great conversation so far uh lou i

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01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:16,160
want to back up a little bit

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and uh my concern has always been

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uh the ufo community and and and what it

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01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:24,640
represents

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01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:28,400
and the the ignoring

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01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:33,119
of uh the ufo community uh by ttsa

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01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:36,960
uh for me uh raised a lot of red flags

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01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,319
is that something that you

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01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,400
would have done differently over the

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01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,559
last three years

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01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,799
yeah i think hindsight being 2020 as we

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01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:48,880
discussed uh is the greatest teacher of

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01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:49,520
all

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you know i i i have never been a ufo guy

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01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,960
other than working for the government i

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01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,799
don't know anything about ufology or

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ufologists

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01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:01,599
um it was a bit a bit of a baptism by

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fire when i when i left the government

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my focus has always been and i've always

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maintained this

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is is not the ufo community they have

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champions they have people already

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01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,839
that have been engaging in this topic

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01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:15,680
such as yourself as you said for 50

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years

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right so i'm not going to change

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01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,680
anybody's opinion

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my focus and the focus of chris mellon

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has always been the other 99.9 percent

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of the population who's never really

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even heard about ufos

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or may have seen some sort of science

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fiction movie as a kid

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but never really paid attention to the

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topic because it was typically

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associated as being a fringe topic

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a topic that is somewhat taboo a lot of

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01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,280
stigma associated with it

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my my focus was never the ufo community

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01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,960
my focus was

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was everybody else you know ufo

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01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,400
community has its champions

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already and i there's there's nothing

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01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:54,319
that i'm going to do

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or say or show that is going to change

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the opinion or narrative of anybody in

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01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,000
the ufo community it's a very

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it's a very emotionally charged

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community

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a lot of people have opinions it's like

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politics and religion right i'm not

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going to go into a catholic church

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and try to convert anybody that's that's

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foolish why would i do that you know

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01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,039
that's they already have their

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their their their organized structure if

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you will and they're very happy with

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those narratives

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my my focus was trying to come in and

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bring this topic

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out of the out of this you know well

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01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,920
she's upon out of the shadows

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01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,079
and and really into the mainstream and

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that includes media right so

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having having major both liberal and

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conservative media outlets

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01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,640
for the first time covering this and

1637
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:42,319
it's not political suicide for them

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01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,760
right they're not chuckling and laughing

1639
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,680
under their breath and hahaha

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01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,359
right you now have scientists and you

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01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,520
have harvard professors and you have

1642
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:51,760
academics all coming forward now and

1643
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,799
saying you know what

1644
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,359
this is a serious topic and we need to

1645
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:56,960
have conversation about it

1646
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,160
now looking back could we have done

1647
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,079
better with the ufo community

1648
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,559
sure absolutely but but i was never in

1649
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:06,240
the ufo community i wouldn't even know

1650
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,599
where to begin that's

1651
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,440
that's someone else's job let somebody

1652
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:11,520
who who knows that world

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01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,799
do that um you know i i have tried

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01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,559
very hard in the last few months since

1655
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,079
i've left ttsa

1656
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:21,280
to engage the ufo community the reason

1657
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,760
for that

1658
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,440
is because there's a tremendous amount

1659
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,280
of talent i got to tell you jimmy

1660
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,440
one of the most incredible tools i've i

1661
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:29,280
have seen

1662
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,079
that has been truly awe-inspiring has

1663
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:35,280
been the emergence of this ufo twitter

1664
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:38,000
this is a group of people who come from

1665
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,039
all walks of life

1666
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,599
all socioeconomic backgrounds all race

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01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,280
color religions are there

1668
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,920
and makes making this more exciting is

1669
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:47,440
that you have actually senior members of

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01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,559
the government

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01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,240
that are actually now part of the

1672
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:52,720
conversation and getting a pulse for

1673
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:55,680
for this topic i mean how wonderful that

1674
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,319
is

1675
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:58,480
that we can finally have conversation

1676
01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,440
about this

1677
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,480
in an elevate way

1678
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,720
even with other world leaders japan just

1679
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,480
jumped on board with the america

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01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,480
in a bilateral relationship information

1681
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:10,559
sharing relationship about ufos

1682
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:13,839
i mean jimmy i i don't know what to tell

1683
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:14,480
you that's

1684
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:17,440
that for me is is one hell of an

1685
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:18,799
achievement and that's not an

1686
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:19,600
achievement that

1687
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,040
ptsa or myself or any single one person

1688
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,960
or organization can take credit for

1689
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,279
that's everybody's win that's your win

1690
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:29,040
that's your audience's win that's our

1691
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,759
win that's

1692
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,920
the collective win of all of us all

1693
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:34,159
right but but let me jump in

1694
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,400
that's what don all of that support

1695
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,480
all of it by saying you know we don't

1696
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,319
care about the ufo community they don't

1697
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:44,000
know what's going on with them

1698
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,920
that's not entirely true because let's

1699
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,920
face it i the very first conference i

1700
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,679
ever did was for mufon

1701
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,600
and the second conference i ever did was

1702
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,880
for the scu

1703
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,400
so i mean it wasn't that i was

1704
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,960
alienating or we were trying to alienate

1705
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,560
anybody purposefully

1706
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:01,120
but you know you had a small enclave of

1707
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,600
people

1708
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,359
sitting over here on the side called the

1709
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,960
ufo community

1710
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,960
and then you had this four and a half

1711
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,400
billion other people

1712
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,239
out there that's never even heard about

1713
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:12,799
ufos or thought that they were

1714
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:15,520
so yeah i agree with you 100 that

1715
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,239
probably

1716
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,480
you know looking back we could have done

1717
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:20,799
a much better job engaging

1718
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,159
um and i i you know i sincerely and

1719
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,839
truly and humbly apologize for anybody

1720
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,679
who may have felt they were left out

1721
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,400
um at the time i did not control my own

1722
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,080
media

1723
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,560
now i do and i think you're seeing a lot

1724
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:35,839
more engagement

1725
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,799
on behalf of chris and myself to engage

1726
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,040
uh the community in this topic

1727
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,759
um but yeah i mean we sure sure as hell

1728
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,359
could have done a lot better job in the

1729
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,679
in the early days um but you know you

1730
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:49,679
don't know what you don't know and and

1731
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,400
i think we're we're we're trying to make

1732
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,560
up for some of that lost ground perhaps

1733
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,840
at least that's what we're trying to do

1734
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:57,920
now uh thank you for that uh

1735
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,360
very early on um as i

1736
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,800
looked at um and i want you to

1737
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,120
uh really listen to what i'm about to

1738
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:08,560
say but i looked at

1739
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,159
the the staff at ttsa and

1740
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:15,040
uh 10 or 12 that were listed on the

1741
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:16,800
website and

1742
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:19,840
uh 10 out of that 12

1743
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:23,040
were from an agency right

1744
01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:26,480
okay so we're talking about the cia the

1745
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,560
department of defense and

1746
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,280
counterintelligence and

1747
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,199
and so forth and you know from the top

1748
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:33,360
down from semi-van down

1749
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,800
um you had a medical uh brain specialist

1750
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:37,840
from the cia

1751
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,400
right okay and and i'm looking at that

1752
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:43,199
and i'm thinking to myself

1753
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:47,440
if my company my company my corporation

1754
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,280
that i own had that same staffing

1755
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:53,520
the hammer would come down on me from

1756
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:54,560
the community

1757
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,040
that this i can appreciate that jimmy

1758
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,960
but let's face it your your industry is

1759
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,040
full of experts in your field you're

1760
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:03,440
you do a radio show and you have you i'm

1761
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,080
sure

1762
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,199
you know

1763
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,760
media experts on your staff and editing

1764
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:12,080
experts and audio visual experts

1765
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,199
and all the experts you need to do

1766
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,600
your mission and from my perspective

1767
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,960
let's not forget that atip

1768
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,360
was an intelligent function at least

1769
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,760
from the time i came in from 2008 until

1770
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,760
the time i left in 2017

1771
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,679
it still remains under the uap task

1772
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:29,679
force an intelligence function

1773
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,360
under the dod so naturally anybody who's

1774
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,640
going to have any expertise or

1775
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,640
experience in this within the government

1776
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:38,159
comes from the intelligence community

1777
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:40,000
and yeah i know it's startling people

1778
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:41,040
look at that and say hey what the hell

1779
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:42,159
is going on here wait is

1780
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,840
is this some sort of psychological

1781
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,600
operation being run against us

1782
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,600
it's not it's just that that's where the

1783
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,520
core density of expertise

1784
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,840
lays and it's you know had it been like

1785
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,760
i said under the department of energy or

1786
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:55,520
the department of interior or health and

1787
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,560
human services

1788
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:58,400
maybe we'd have a bunch of doctors

1789
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,760
instead of spooks on

1790
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,600
on staff and that's that's highly

1791
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,800
probable but

1792
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,520
it's just the fact that the atip was an

1793
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,600
intelligence capability and remained

1794
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,600
within the intelligence apparatus

1795
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,600
i i don't think it's that much of a

1796
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:13,520
stretch for people to recognize

1797
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,640
that's where you're going to get that

1798
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,320
expertise and the only way we're going

1799
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:18,080
to break down

1800
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,760
the barriers and the misunderstanding

1801
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:21,760
and the mistrust is by doing exactly

1802
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,159
this

1803
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:25,199
having honest dialogue communication ask

1804
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,440
us

1805
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,360
anything you want can't say for them ask

1806
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,800
me anything you want

1807
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:31,679
and i will do my honest very best to

1808
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,320
tell you

1809
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:34,239
what i know as long as i don't violate

1810
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,520
my security oath

1811
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:37,360
or frankly i have the answer because

1812
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:38,480
there's going to be some questions i'm

1813
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:39,040
sure

1814
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,400
that's frankly i don't know and i'll

1815
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,960
tell you that so that's that's why

1816
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,080
exactly why

1817
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:46,320
you see me doing shows like yours

1818
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,120
because

1819
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,640
we realize that we have spent too long

1820
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,880
not explaining our position we we

1821
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,320
probably could have done a better job

1822
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:56,320
explaining our position earlier on

1823
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,920
and demystifying a lot of this um

1824
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,239
but you know yeah i get it well you know

1825
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,159
the you know the perception uh

1826
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,679
you know it's always us and not only the

1827
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,080
ufo community but the united states

1828
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,800
uh citizens it's us against them it's us

1829
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:13,760
against the man

1830
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,239
it it will always be presented that way

1831
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,950
you're right jimmy that's absolutely the

1832
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:23,120
perception and and we see it all the

1833
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:24,640
time on the nightly news

1834
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,760
but please understand that 99.9

1835
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,120
of the americans that work in the

1836
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,440
government are just like you and me

1837
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:33,120
they're patriots they have mortgages to

1838
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,480
pay they love their children you know

1839
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,920
they're not eating babies on the street

1840
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,560
corner

1841
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:37,920
you know they're fighting and winning

1842
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:40,000
wars on our behalf they're just like

1843
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,159
your father your father was in the army

1844
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,760
that's exactly like everybody i've ever

1845
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,679
run into into the pentagon they want to

1846
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,880
do a good job

1847
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:49,280
yeah they make mistakes yeah the system

1848
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,560
fails sometimes because of the

1849
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,760
bureaucracy

1850
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:54,320
but but all in all it's filled with

1851
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,280
really good people

1852
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,120
and i think when we we make the mistake

1853
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,199
of saying the government

1854
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:01,760
let's not forget the government serves

1855
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,320
us

1856
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,640
we the people not the other way around

1857
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,320
if we have a problem with government

1858
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,800
then it's up to us to change it let's

1859
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,719
stop bitching and sitting back on our

1860
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,239
lawn chairs and saying i don't like the

1861
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:14,080
man you don't like it vote somebody who

1862
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:15,280
you do on in

1863
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,920
well be quiet get dressed up and and

1864
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,600
have have a conversation with somebody

1865
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,560
and vote somebody in

1866
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,000
that you do trust that will make the

1867
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:23,679
changes that you want i don't disagree

1868
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,239
with you

1869
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:26,080
by the way jimmy i i understand the

1870
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,280
perception

1871
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:29,280
very well because i've lived it every

1872
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,640
time i walk into a room

1873
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,480
and i'm wearing a suit i can see people

1874
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,560
scatter like like like mice

1875
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,480
oh god here comes here comes the spooks

1876
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,080
right um

1877
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,480
but in reality it's i think you're

1878
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,320
giving us far too much credit

1879
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,159
than we deserve well you don't you don't

1880
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:45,840
look you don't look too

1881
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:49,600
spookish by the way you've

1882
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:53,199
um yeah i'm wearing my glasses and yeah

1883
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,800
but there there's the other side of this

1884
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:58,800
and and i know you've heard it so let's

1885
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:00,159
address it now

1886
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:03,600
that that tom was

1887
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,280
uh brought in because of his influence

1888
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:10,480
in the entertainment world and was used

1889
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:13,920
as as a front for a cia

1890
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:17,280
operation to bring this info in

1891
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,080
to the world and and it's kind of hard

1892
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,880
to not have that argument is it

1893
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:24,880
well let me ask you to what purpose why

1894
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,760
would we spend millions of dollars

1895
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:30,159
to run a campaign against the american

1896
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:31,440
people

1897
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:33,760
just to fool them is it is it just to

1898
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,920
play a joke a funny joke and in 10 years

1899
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,600
the truth comes out we say haha fooled

1900
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,480
you guys

1901
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,560
i mean that doesn't really make sense

1902
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,719
that's that's not what we spent taxpayer

1903
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,800
dollars on now i understand that people

1904
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,560
make the claim hey tom was brought in

1905
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,159
and frankly i don't know the answer to

1906
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:50,320
that because i wasn't part of ttsa back

1907
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,880
then

1908
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,120
i wasn't one of the founding members so

1909
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,960
i really don't know

1910
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,960
if tom found the people or the people

1911
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,000
found tom

1912
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,000
i really don't know but at the end of

1913
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,320
the day if we're getting disclosure

1914
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,159
i'm good with it i really don't don't

1915
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,960
care either way because it's working

1916
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:09,440
um and if we happen by the way just just

1917
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,880
for argument's sake let's say we did

1918
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:12,400
have some friends in the cia

1919
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:14,400
that wanted to bring about disclosure

1920
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,679
well you know what

1921
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,239
thank you i'm i'm pretty happy with that

1922
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,440
you know we're getting what we wanted

1923
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:21,199
and people will say well you know it's a

1924
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,920
psy up

1925
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:24,239
or do i i don't know i don't know what

1926
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:25,199
else to say why

1927
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:29,199
i mean i guess use common sense why

1928
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,480
would we be doing this just just to

1929
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,679
deceive americans

1930
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,600
my point is there's there's no reason to

1931
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:38,000
do it do i hide super secret technology

1932
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,480
well

1933
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:40,080
we do that all the time we have

1934
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:41,440
technology that won't see the light of

1935
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,440
day for the next 25 30 years

1936
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:45,199
i don't need to have a public campaign

1937
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,719
to deceive americans

1938
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,239
i mean that's silly i'll just keep keep

1939
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:50,080
my stuff at area 51 and you'll never see

1940
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:50,560
it

1941
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,280
uh understood except there's always a

1942
01:17:02,950 --> 01:16:59,120
but right there's always a button

1943
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:02,960
but um the

1944
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,120
the government washington dc in any form

1945
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:10,560
has not been forthwith or honest

1946
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:13,040
about what they know or do not know

1947
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:14,320
about ufos

1948
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,760
for at least 70 years and i agree

1949
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:20,560
and i i agree with you jimmy 100 and now

1950
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,280
and so that's

1951
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:23,920
that is exactly why i am doing what i'm

1952
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:24,400
doing

1953
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,080
you're absolutely correct so today

1954
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:31,040
why should we put our trust in the man

1955
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,080
when

1956
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:35,040
it has been the opposite for so long you

1957
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,239
know tin foil has

1958
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:38,560
crazy point yes you don't have to trust

1959
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,520
the man

1960
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:42,000
because we are getting the results we

1961
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,120
collectively

1962
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,840
the the community the ufo community ufo

1963
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,800
twitter the

1964
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,199
the american population we're getting

1965
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,480
the answers we're getting

1966
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,480
our our senior elected officials engaged

1967
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:54,000
they're receiving classified briefings

1968
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,440
about the reality things

1969
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,360
you have the establishment of a uap task

1970
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:58,880
force you think the government

1971
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,199
wants to go after this hell no this

1972
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,360
thing is is radioactive this is a

1973
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,480
a traditionally a toxic portfolio for

1974
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:07,840
anybody to manage

1975
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,280
that they're doing this begrudgingly so

1976
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:13,840
you know i my response that is if you

1977
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,159
don't want to trust a man then don't

1978
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,960
but you're getting the results we when

1979
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,480
you say the man you have to look in the

1980
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,640
mirror because to some degree

1981
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,719
we collectively are making this happen

1982
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,640
this is not the man just coming forward

1983
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:27,840
and say hey let me fool the american

1984
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,560
people and

1985
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,800
and we're going to lay off disclosure no

1986
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:32,320
it has been people don't realize the

1987
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,520
sacrifice it took

1988
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:36,080
to even get to where we are now i mean

1989
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,520
it has been brutal

1990
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:40,000
i i i will tell you i will talk about

1991
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,719
myself

1992
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:43,280
the journey i've had to be on but let me

1993
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,920
tell you

1994
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,440
there's a lot easier ways to do a

1995
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:47,920
psychological operation against a target

1996
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,320
than this way if you ever were to do one

1997
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,760
this would be the last way you'd ever

1998
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,239
want to do it it's expensive uh

1999
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,520
there's there's a lot of uh liability um

2000
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,760
a lot of exposure and there's too much

2001
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,199
at risk um

2002
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,960
because if it ever got out that this

2003
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,320
let's just say for argument's sake this

2004
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,080
was some sort of psyop

2005
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,000
you'd have to fire half of the executive

2006
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,000
branch and bring them up on charges

2007
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:11,760
probably of sedition to be honest with

2008
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,120
you so

2009
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:16,080
you know again i i would i would tell

2010
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,120
people that if

2011
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,520
if if you're if you're upset with with

2012
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:21,600
the man and you think that this is

2013
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,760
this is an effort by the man to to fool

2014
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,600
you i would say look in the mirror

2015
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:26,400
because

2016
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,719
that is who who the government works for

2017
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,239
and again i know i get a little bit

2018
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,760
animated when i say hey if you don't

2019
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,880
like the government then get up and

2020
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,400
change it

2021
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:42,719
but that's that's sincere i'm not just

2022
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,840
saying that we

2023
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:46,239
ultimately the failure and success of

2024
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,280
any government

2025
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,760
is is a reflection on its people and we

2026
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:51,360
are the ones who make those decisions

2027
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:52,239
not the government

2028
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,600
i wish everybody could see uh lou uh you

2029
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:58,000
can't but he's getting very animated

2030
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,000
the arms that's just a blast

2031
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,920
that's i've always that way i'd like to

2032
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,760
read a quote to you real quick a buddy

2033
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,280
of mine sent me a quote

2034
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:10,239
jimmy go ahead and uh and uh and talk

2035
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:10,639
but

2036
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,000
there's something i want to share with

2037
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,679
you and let me

2038
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,080
um okay while you're pulling that up

2039
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:18,400
here's here's the next question

2040
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:21,520
if we go back to um

2041
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:23,840
the live presentation and the

2042
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:26,719
announcement of ttsa

2043
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:29,440
you resigned i believe the day before

2044
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,760
right

2045
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,840
and your resignation letter um you can

2046
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:33,280
correct me if i'm wrong but i think

2047
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:33,679
that's

2048
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,040
how it went down and you resigned

2049
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:40,560
and and went over to ttsa um

2050
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:43,760
just recently the uap task force

2051
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:46,880
is is put together and you

2052
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:50,480
leave ttsa at the same time and that

2053
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:51,199
leaves me

2054
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,639
backing up saying hmm i think lou's got

2055
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:56,320
something to do with the uap

2056
01:21:02,790 --> 01:20:59,360
task force this is beyond coincidence

2057
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:02,800
am i wrong um

2058
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:06,480
no you're not wrong um

2059
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,320
you know i i i i want to be careful

2060
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,400
not to say too much it's still the uap

2061
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:14,400
task force is a bit of a

2062
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,639
a delicate state right now uh it still

2063
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,840
needs to get on his feet

2064
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:20,480
so i i don't want to say anything

2065
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,120
there's some

2066
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:23,199
incredible fine men and women in that

2067
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:24,880
organization right now

2068
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:26,239
who are friends of mine who are who

2069
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:28,000
frankly on the a-tip journey with me

2070
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,600
and so um you know

2071
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,120
much of the credit really belongs to

2072
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,120
them okay well the answer is yes

2073
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,760
okay what what's the quote you wanted to

2074
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,040
read to us

2075
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,719
so this is a quote from george

2076
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,400
washington it's not very long it says

2077
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:45,360
government is not reason it is not

2078
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:46,080
eloquent

2079
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:49,199
it is force like fire it is a dangerous

2080
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:49,840
servant

2081
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:52,639
and a fearful master experience has

2082
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,199
taught us

2083
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,600
that it is much easier to prevent an

2084
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:57,920
enemy from posting themselves

2085
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,560
than it is to dislodge them after they

2086
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,920
have got possession

2087
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:04,080
and when the freedom of speech is taken

2088
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:05,040
away

2089
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,320
then dumb and silent we may be led

2090
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,719
like sheep to the slaughter that was

2091
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:11,920
george washington

2092
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,239
and so there is a natural distrust

2093
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,719
with government uh that has that has

2094
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:20,400
been around forever this is not just a

2095
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:21,760
ufo

2096
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:25,679
experienced that was said by george

2097
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,480
washington

2098
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:28,560
who you know was was one of the founding

2099
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:31,280
fathers of this of this great nation so

2100
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:34,960
i think healthy distrust is okay

2101
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,679
where i will draw the line is paranoia

2102
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,120
distrust right

2103
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,880
um that's why we have checks and

2104
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,880
balances we always want to make sure

2105
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,120
we want to mind the minders so to speak

2106
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,040
and that's really up to the people to do

2107
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,800
uh you know your show is a perfect

2108
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:50,400
example of that you know you

2109
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,520
your job is to call out uh

2110
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:56,000
something when you see there is some

2111
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,760
sort of malfeasance or some sort of

2112
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,719
injustice

2113
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,480
in whatever it is your the show you're

2114
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,159
doing um

2115
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,920
that's precisely what we should be doing

2116
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:06,000
that that is exactly our job as the

2117
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,080
people to make sure the people that are

2118
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,520
governed we

2119
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,840
we govern the government that's how it

2120
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,920
should be and so that's why when

2121
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,120
when i talk to people with my

2122
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,679
counterintelligence background um

2123
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:20,560
you know my my first thing that i say

2124
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,679
back to them is

2125
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,199
you know if you distrust the government

2126
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:25,280
then change that because the government

2127
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,560
is is a reflection of

2128
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:29,199
you um and and and it's you know it's

2129
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,639
not that hard to do just

2130
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:32,560
get up and vote for somebody it's you

2131
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:33,920
know or join the government yourself and

2132
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,199
make the changes yourself

2133
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,239
now uh i want to talk about susan galf

2134
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,400
for a second uh you knew this was going

2135
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:42,560
to come up at some point tonight

2136
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,760
sure so much so much with susan could be

2137
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:47,040
discussed but

2138
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:50,880
but there was one point um

2139
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,560
that she addressed more than once

2140
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,679
and that was you and atip

2141
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,560
had nothing to do with each other and

2142
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,199
she drove that point home

2143
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:05,360
let's talk about that for a second yeah

2144
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,960
well first of all she said that

2145
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,560
she said that a tip had nothing to do

2146
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,239
with ufos right so let's

2147
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,199
see well like i said there there's many

2148
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:15,120
things we can talk about with susan a

2149
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,239
lot of layers

2150
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,280
and look i these people come and go

2151
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:21,199
uh dana white already confirmed who i

2152
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:22,960
was where i worked so did senator harry

2153
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,440
reid

2154
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,800
senator bob bigelow so did hal put off

2155
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,280
there's a document from 2009 from the

2156
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:31,199
senate with my name on it for a tip it

2157
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,280
says in black and white a tip it says

2158
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,120
part of the read on for this program and

2159
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:37,280
i was a senior civilian at the time so

2160
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,719
the documentation is there there's

2161
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,239
there's there's right now a lot of folks

2162
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,760
in the media that actually have emails

2163
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,960
they've been able to get the freedom of

2164
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:44,880
information act there was actually air

2165
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,800
force osi investigation that said you

2166
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,400
know lou elizondo was

2167
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,159
being the director of atip when they

2168
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,920
tried to investigate me to see if i did

2169
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,360
any type of malfeasance

2170
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:55,199
the answer was the result was no i

2171
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,800
didn't do anything wrong but in there it

2172
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,880
says specifically that elizondo was

2173
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,880
was you know discussing about the a-tip

2174
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:02,639
program the ufo program when he was part

2175
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,360
of it so

2176
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:05,120
the long story short i'm going to save

2177
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:06,400
you a whole

2178
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,480
long you know discussion about it but i

2179
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,560
i'm confident with myself again i don't

2180
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,920
i don't really give a damn what people

2181
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,440
think about me that's that's not why i'm

2182
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,800
doing this i could have saved my ass

2183
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,840
three years ago

2184
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,360
uh people now the information that's

2185
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:21,440
coming forward you know i could have

2186
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,480
done three years ago

2187
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,920
but i would have done it at the expense

2188
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:25,600
of people on the inside and i'm not that

2189
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:26,239
kind of guy

2190
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,679
i am not going to throw somebody under

2191
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,600
the bus or expose somebody

2192
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:31,840
just to save my own credibility or save

2193
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,639
my own ass

2194
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:35,600
so um if people are expecting that from

2195
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:36,880
me

2196
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:40,480
there's enough substantial information

2197
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,840
out there dana white

2198
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,400
already confirmed it and then you have

2199
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,080
this susan go who comes in

2200
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,760
and frankly excuse my language but

2201
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,960
doesn't know her ass from a hole in the

2202
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,760
ground

2203
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:52,000
i don't know where she's getting fed

2204
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,199
this information

2205
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,199
uh because one day she says a tip has

2206
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:57,120
nothing to do with ufos and it comes

2207
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,880
back and says oh yes it does and

2208
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,480
before that i think they said well it

2209
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,320
was advanced aviation when it was and it

2210
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,320
was always advanced aerospace

2211
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,760
the number of times that they have

2212
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,440
flip-flopped back and forth at this

2213
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,360
point i've lost count of

2214
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,199
even more important there's there's a

2215
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,639
and i won't say who it is but there's a

2216
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,639
reporter that recently got an email

2217
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,480
where they said well what does it matter

2218
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:17,760
what lou did anyways because that was

2219
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,560
three years ago

2220
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:21,199
basically trying to pass a buck so um

2221
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,000
you know

2222
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,800
if anybody wants to know what i did i i

2223
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,400
i highly doubt that that

2224
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,080
the committees on the hill would ever

2225
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:30,080
let me in and i'd still have a security

2226
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,520
clearance to brief about atip

2227
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,040
if i was never part of the program right

2228
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:34,800
and it wasn't about ufos i mean that's

2229
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,120
just

2230
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:38,080
common sense and my current involvement

2231
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:38,400
with

2232
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,880
individuals uh that were part of that

2233
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:41,600
program

2234
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,400
i mean it at this point you'd have to do

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01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,159
such mental gymnastics

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01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,159
to try to explain that away i wouldn't

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01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,239
even know where to start so uh

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01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,080
my my bigger concern on this whole issue

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01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,159
that's that's not about me

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01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,520
is the fact that the department of

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01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:57,440
defense still can't get their story

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01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,320
straight

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01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:59,840
that for me is a problem because it's

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01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:02,080
either a willful and if it's willful we

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01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,880
got a problem

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01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:05,520
right or it's pure dysfunction and if

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01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,400
it's dysfunction

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01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:08,880
we still got a problem right so either

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01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,600
way

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01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,920
that needs to be fixed so either fire

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01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:13,199
the people that are in there now that

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01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:14,480
are not doing their job or don't know

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01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,440
how to do it

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01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,360
or you get somebody to come in from down

2255
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,880
above and shake them and say

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01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,280
stop doing that stop playing games

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01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,719
because all you're doing is sewing the

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01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:24,080
seat of distrust with the american

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01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,639
people

2260
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,800
you're actually breaking down the

2261
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:28,400
credibility and authority of the

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01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,760
department of defense when you do that

2263
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,719
when you have a

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01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:33,120
a senator the senior senator of our

2265
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:34,480
country come out and say

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01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,760
yeah lou worked for me and he was the

2267
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:37,920
guy i mean i don't know what else you

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01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:38,239
need

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01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:39,760
he he was the guy who started this

2270
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,600
program to begin with

2271
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:43,679
but again jimmy this conversation

2272
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,280
shouldn't be about me this is

2273
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,840
this is precisely part of the problem we

2274
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:49,280
should be talking about the big issue

2275
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:49,760
here

2276
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,800
about ufo disclosure otherwise you know

2277
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,480
i'll i'll start my own radio show and

2278
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,159
i'll make it all about me

2279
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,639
that's not what what that's not why i

2280
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,400
got into this and i knew

2281
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:02,719
going in that i was going to face a

2282
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,639
tremendous amount of pushback

2283
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,639
i knew this was going to happen in fact

2284
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,320
i stated it very clearly

2285
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,080
i think it was maybe even at the mufon

2286
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:12,320
uh several years ago i said here's

2287
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,440
what's going to happen

2288
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,639
first of all they're going to admit yes

2289
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:17,760
and then they're going to realize what

2290
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,960
they just did and they're going to come

2291
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:20,080
back and

2292
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:21,840
they're going to deny it and then when

2293
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:23,199
they can't deny it they're going to make

2294
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:24,719
counter accusations against me and then

2295
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:25,679
when they can't do that

2296
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:27,600
they're going to try to ignore it and

2297
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:29,600
all these things have exactly played out

2298
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,719
it's almost like a playbook

2299
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:34,560
precisely as i predicted and so now

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01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:35,679
they're at the point where there's just

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01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:36,400
saying

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01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,600
we don't want to talk about it let's

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01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:39,120
move on to the next week's thing yeah

2304
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,239
uaps

2305
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,440
yeah a tip okay elizondo but let's let's

2306
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,800
let's talk about something else and

2307
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:46,639
that's that's kind of been their

2308
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,760
their their latest mo now well we need

2309
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:51,440
to take our break and let's go ahead and

2310
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,480
do that now

2311
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,560
our guest tonight luella lozando and lou

2312
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,600
when we come back

2313
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,760
i want to talk about how investigating a

2314
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,520
ufo and a ufo report

2315
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,560
goes down we will do all of that next

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01:29:13,970 --> 01:29:04,159
this is faded black i'm yours jimmy

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01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:24,629
[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you are listening to fate to black with

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not be televised

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ciao

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[Music]

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01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,910
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,760
host jimmy church tonight our guest is

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01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:56,000
lou elizondo we'll get to

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more with lou in just a second i want to

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go and do it now our guest tonight lou

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01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,080
elizondo

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01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:53,360
and uh okay lou help help me understand

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01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:56,080
i'm so fascinated with this when the

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01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:57,120
announcement

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01:34:01,830 --> 01:34:00,239
uh came uh december 17th in the new york

2404
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:01,840
times 2017

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01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:04,639
about you know the secret ufo program uh

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01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:06,159
at the pentagon

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01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:09,840
i'm picturing in my mind

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01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:12,960
offices in the e-wing right in the

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01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,000
e-ring

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01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,920
um it was actually the c-ring but but

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01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,360
okay okay so far

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01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:20,400
okay okay so you did have offices

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01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:23,280
in the pentagon yeah absolutely in in

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01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,239
the c-ring

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01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:26,480
and and how did that how did that how

2416
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:27,679
did that go down

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01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:30,840
um would you have a

2418
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:34,159
different uh incident reports come in

2419
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:37,520
uh the door uh you know how how did that

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01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:38,159
happen in

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01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:41,199
and yeah and how many investigators were

2422
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:44,159
were working under you to do these

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01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:45,600
investigations

2424
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,920
sure well i prefer to say with me um

2425
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:49,440
anybody who's ever worked with me

2426
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:50,639
knows that i run a very flat

2427
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:52,960
organization we're a team um

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01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:55,840
so even though i was the senior guy and

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01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:57,119
technically in charge

2430
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:58,960
we really made decisions collectively

2431
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,639
they were it was it was really

2432
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:02,960
a mutual effort and think of an onion

2433
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:04,239
you have a at the very center of the

2434
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,080
onion you have your core group of people

2435
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:08,639
uh that are part of your organization

2436
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:10,320
and your effort and then as you go out

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01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:11,199
in these layers

2438
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,000
uh subsequent layers of the onion you

2439
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,840
have support mechanisms you have people

2440
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:17,280
in different agencies that have certain

2441
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,719
amount of expertise and they might help

2442
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,480
you on this particular aspect or that

2443
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:22,639
particular aspect for example analyzing

2444
01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:26,000
photographic evidence and videos or

2445
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,920
taking reports from their organization

2446
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:29,199
and getting it to you

2447
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:31,360
you ask the question of how do we get

2448
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:32,560
information well

2449
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:35,199
the answer is not so simple we got it

2450
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,600
through

2451
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:38,000
multiple different ways anybody who's

2452
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:39,199
ever spent time in the government you

2453
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,360
know you have these these systems for to

2454
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,880
communicate back and forth

2455
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,800
from the headquarters out to the field

2456
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,400
and some of these are unclassified

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01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,920
systems some of these are classified

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01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:48,800
networks

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01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,920
and it depended really at

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01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:53,199
where we were getting the information

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01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:54,960
from uh for example

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01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,199
um and i'm gonna say this uh in very

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01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:58,880
vague terms i don't want anybody to say

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01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,080
oh that's that's how it happened

2465
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:01,920
this is just an example you might get an

2466
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:03,520
email uh coming in

2467
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,639
uh on a on a secure network from let's

2468
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,080
say the captain of a ship

2469
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:10,480
and uh the email says something to the

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01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:11,520
effect of hey

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01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,280
um you know we're seeing some pretty

2472
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:15,119
weird stuff out here some pretty strange

2473
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,679
lights

2474
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,920
and we would really like uh your

2475
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:19,600
assistance on this we have some aircraft

2476
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,719
that took some footage

2477
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,239
uh we have a couple of pilots that had

2478
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,719
eyes down on it we got some radar tracks

2479
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,800
and then of course you would send out

2480
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:28,719
the team or ask them to send you the

2481
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,920
information depending on what

2482
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:31,119
logistically

2483
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:34,639
was was um was more feasible right

2484
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:37,360
and so these this information would get

2485
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:38,800
collected and collated

2486
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,360
and then brought up to us where we would

2487
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,960
analyze it we would look at it and then

2488
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:44,400
if we had follow-up questions we could

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01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,360
do that

2490
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:46,960
if we had to interview people we would

2491
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:49,440
do that um i'm i have got to be very

2492
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:50,080
careful

2493
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,199
here and not say who and how because

2494
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,040
those mechanisms i suspect are still

2495
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,360
being used by the task force today

2496
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:59,600
so i don't want to compromise those uh

2497
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,520
but it's really no different than

2498
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:03,679
than you'd expect in any other type of

2499
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:05,679
activity at the pentagon right so

2500
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:08,080
you have information coming in you have

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01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:10,239
direction going out and then you have

2502
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:13,280
briefings being uh generated and then

2503
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:15,040
provided up to senior level management

2504
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:16,639
in this particular case

2505
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:19,119
very senior level management so there

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01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,159
was

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01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,360
uh an office door

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01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:26,000
with a tip on the outside of the office

2509
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:26,960
door no

2510
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,800
absolutely not so i i had two

2511
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:30,880
responsibilities in the pentagon

2512
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:34,880
um i i often tell people um that

2513
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,320
in our generation you remember the life

2514
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:38,000
cereal commercial mikey

2515
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:39,360
the kid that they did oh we don't like

2516
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:40,560
this here give it to mikey he'll leave

2517
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,360
anything

2518
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,040
that was kind of my job they gave me

2519
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,600
every every crappy portfolio

2520
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,840
that nobody ever wanted to handle it

2521
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,760
somehow it just found its way to me

2522
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,760
so um at the time i was the director of

2523
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:53,440
national programs special management

2524
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:54,239
staff

2525
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:57,280
and i had um one court mission for for

2526
01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:58,880
the ousdi

2527
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:01,440
and then under the secretary of defense

2528
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:04,000
and his staff osd staff

2529
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,600
i had the other mission i had the a-tip

2530
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,679
mission there was not even for my

2531
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,520
primary portfolio my other portfolio

2532
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:11,360
there was never a sign on the door

2533
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,880
that said director national program

2534
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,880
special management staff or

2535
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:17,360
you know atip or guantanamo bay or

2536
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,560
anything like that

2537
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:21,760
um that's not really how the pentagon

2538
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:22,719
works you have

2539
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:25,520
numbers uh that will tell you the office

2540
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:27,040
and then usually you'll get some sort of

2541
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,000
cryptic message

2542
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,960
hey we've got a meeting in uh uh two

2543
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:32,080
bravo

2544
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,679
uh three three five alpha and

2545
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,840
if you know how the pentagon works then

2546
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,360
okay i've got a meeting on

2547
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:41,040
you know in this particular office and

2548
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:42,239
you go to that office and it's just

2549
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:44,159
literally a number on a door usually

2550
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,760
with a big heavy vault lock on it you

2551
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:47,600
knock you come in

2552
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:48,880
they check your badge make sure you have

2553
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:50,080
the security clearance and then you

2554
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:51,840
might walk into another room

2555
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:54,320
that's even uh another what we call a

2556
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,800
vault a vault within a skiff

2557
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:58,159
and and that's where you do your

2558
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:00,080
business um

2559
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:04,159
were you known as uh in a joking way

2560
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,639
like the ufo guys you know what was the

2561
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,840
chatter

2562
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,000
at the pentagon you know that door

2563
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:12,239
that's the fox mulder group

2564
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:14,639
there there were a few people especially

2565
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:16,639
even within my staff that would chuckle

2566
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,520
um uh there is i'm not gonna say which

2567
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:21,440
you can probably fill in the blanks

2568
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,400
uh but as a joke they had uh there's a

2569
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:26,400
very popular uh

2570
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:29,679
program about uh ufos particularly uh

2571
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:30,480
aliens

2572
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:34,000
and the history as it might uh relate to

2573
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,760
humankind you can fill in the delinquent

2574
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:37,440
show i'm talking about right on a major

2575
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:38,239
network

2576
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,800
and one of the hosts uh is is very well

2577
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:41,760
known for

2578
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:45,520
for um a very unique hairstyle

2579
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:48,159
and uh there's there was a picture of

2580
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:49,119
that

2581
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,760
always placed in my office as a joke by

2582
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:53,199
some of my folks

2583
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:56,239
um as kind of a wink-wink nudge nudge

2584
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:57,360
you know a little bit of ribbing

2585
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,360
uh healthy ribbing that you'd expect in

2586
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:01,199
a military environment right

2587
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:04,560
um i can get that signed for you

2588
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:07,920
if you would like i can get that sign

2589
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:14,950
the the other part of it is

2590
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:18,560
the atip investigations and then

2591
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:22,159
when ttsa started of course we have

2592
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:23,360
you know the nimitz and and the

2593
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,320
roosevelt and and that

2594
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,520
was that part of the atip investigations

2595
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:31,520
going on at the pentagon

2596
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:35,440
and b case two-part question

2597
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,119
why did that pentagon information stop

2598
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,760
with the nimitz and roosevelt why

2599
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,520
weren't you able to pull in

2600
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:46,000
more a-tip investigations that were

2601
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:46,719
going on

2602
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:50,080
at the pentagon well i didn't pull them

2603
01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:51,280
out the media did

2604
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,639
um so kudos to the media um you know and

2605
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:56,000
i suspect that the media is going to be

2606
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:57,440
successful in the future pulling out

2607
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,239
more

2608
01:41:01,590 --> 01:41:00,159
um this is an evolving story obviously

2609
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,600
we didn't just look at the nimitz and

2610
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,639
stop at the roosevelt

2611
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,800
this was an evolving effort there were

2612
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:06,639
many many instances that were

2613
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:10,560
recorded and reported about um

2614
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,119
okay so my question is uh just for

2615
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:14,560
clarification

2616
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:17,600
uh the nimitz and roosevelt were part of

2617
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:20,080
the atip investigations correct

2618
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:20,800
absolutely

2619
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:24,239
unequivocally yes and then the the other

2620
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:27,199
investigations that atip was working on

2621
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:28,880
that we haven't seen

2622
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:31,440
it was there a conscious decision not to

2623
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,040
pull that stuff forward

2624
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,440
or did you not have that data available

2625
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:37,199
to you

2626
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,880
well uh you know you have to be careful

2627
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,320
because a lot of that stuff is is

2628
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:44,800
extremely classified um

2629
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:46,880
you know some the nimitz was historical

2630
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,320
that the the

2631
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:51,119
the video had already been uh been

2632
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,639
leaked some time ago

2633
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,960
and it was unclassified information

2634
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,280
residing on a classified system so

2635
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,520
that's fairly easy to dislodge and get

2636
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:00,800
the approvals

2637
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:03,360
for for for unlimited distribution

2638
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:04,719
through through the process

2639
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:07,760
uh which is the doctor process but

2640
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,760
there's other stuff that has where the

2641
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:10,960
metadata

2642
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:14,000
on the video or the photographs is far

2643
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,360
more sensitive

2644
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:17,679
certainly very classified you classify

2645
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,560
something to do

2646
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:20,719
for two reasons to protect sources and

2647
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:21,600
methods

2648
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:25,520
and uh the nature of those videos

2649
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,920
were very very sensitive and by the way

2650
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,360
it's not just what you're seeing

2651
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,440
on the video it's where the video was

2652
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:33,520
taken under what circumstances was taken

2653
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:35,600
the audio that's on the video right so

2654
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:38,560
there's a lot of stuff there that's in

2655
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,600
videos that is really hard to clean up

2656
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,920
if you wanted to get that released from

2657
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,000
you know let's say a top secret level

2658
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,480
all the way down to an unlimited release

2659
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,880
at the unclassified level that's

2660
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:53,360
that's a you know that's a pretty

2661
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:54,000
difficult

2662
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:55,280
effort to do because you have to go

2663
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:56,159
through and i'm not going to waste your

2664
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:57,280
time with details but

2665
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:58,320
you got to go through the original

2666
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,920
classification authority for approval

2667
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:01,360
for example the oca and then you have to

2668
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,880
get forward disclosure approval and

2669
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:04,080
you've got to go to

2670
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,600
dobson you've got there's all these

2671
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:07,119
little hoops you have to the higher

2672
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:08,239
classification

2673
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,719
information is and data the more hoops

2674
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:11,920
you have to jump through

2675
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:14,159
to try to get that information released

2676
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:15,760
did you see

2677
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:18,960
um video evidence

2678
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:22,639
uh while at atip that

2679
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:25,679
freaked you out and what i mean by that

2680
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:28,639
uh not not the nimitz videos that's that

2681
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:30,480
stuff's not freak out material

2682
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,080
it's it's not did you see a black

2683
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:36,320
triangle did you see something close up

2684
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,760
did you see something that you could

2685
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:39,280
classify as a

2686
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:42,560
classic flying saucer things that

2687
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,080
the the public has never seen

2688
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:47,760
absolutely and i'm not going to go

2689
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:49,840
further than that absolutely that is the

2690
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:51,679
reason why i am so compelled

2691
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:54,400
to do what i'm doing i know what i've

2692
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:54,880
seen

2693
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:58,880
that's why when the when the congress

2694
01:44:01,350 --> 01:44:00,480
people go into these briefings and

2695
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:01,360
they're kind of like yeah i'm going to

2696
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:02,480
go take a briefing

2697
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:04,080
and they come out they say holy cow we

2698
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:05,840
got to take this seriously they're not

2699
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:06,800
looking at

2700
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,000
at a grain grainy video taken

2701
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:12,639
during the nimitz cruise they're looking

2702
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:13,199
at

2703
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,119
classified with a

2704
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:19,760
much greater degree of fidelity that

2705
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,600
allows them to then make that decision

2706
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:23,280
by the way at a unanimous level they've

2707
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,639
all come out saying

2708
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,800
holy smokes we need to look at this and

2709
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,800
some of you have come out and said

2710
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,119
this ain't ours you know that these are

2711
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,719
pretty bold statements coming from your

2712
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:34,480
elected officials whereas

2713
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:36,000
two years ago they would have laughed

2714
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:37,119
you wouldn't even take an audience with

2715
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:38,320
you they'd have laughed you right out of

2716
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,040
the room

2717
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,960
and now they're having a very sober

2718
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,400
conversation about this you

2719
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:44,000
you have a task force that has been

2720
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:45,679
established under

2721
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,600
no other person than the deputy

2722
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:49,920
secretary of defense himself

2723
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:52,080
the dep sectif and by the way now

2724
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:53,679
there's a report due to congress and i

2725
01:44:59,030 --> 01:44:56,960
think 144 143 days

2726
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:59,040
from none other than the dni the

2727
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:01,040
director of national intelligence

2728
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:03,199
basically all 17 intelligence well now

2729
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:03,920
18

2730
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:06,159
intelligence organizations fall under

2731
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:08,080
that one person the dni

2732
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,760
and that is the person responsible for

2733
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:10,960
putting this report together for

2734
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,000
congress so

2735
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:15,199
so you tell me do you think that

2736
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,639
three fuzzy videos uh can get congress

2737
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:20,080
to do what it did

2738
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,400
probably not probably not are you

2739
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:24,000
suggesting

2740
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:34,320
has seen a black triangle crystal clear

2741
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:37,440
high def video i am absolutely not going

2742
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:38,159
to speak for

2743
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:41,040
for senator marco rubio i respect him

2744
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,320
tremendously

2745
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,159
for coming out and having this

2746
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:46,639
conversation and proving this is truly

2747
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:49,520
a a a bipartisan issue because you had

2748
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,960
senator harry reid

2749
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:52,719
but most people forget that you also had

2750
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,560
senator stevens and inua

2751
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,800
and john glenn behind this effort right

2752
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:58,080
uh you have

2753
01:46:01,270 --> 01:46:00,080
other senators and congressmen who've

2754
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:01,280
come out and said hey

2755
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:03,119
we need this briefing too and now you

2756
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:05,360
have senator marco rubio from from my

2757
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,239
home state

2758
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,000
coming out and saying yeah this is

2759
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:09,679
important we need to figure this out i

2760
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:11,199
mean that

2761
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:14,560
that is a hell of a brave position to

2762
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:15,280
take

2763
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:19,920
a lot of hubspot to be honest with you

2764
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,560
and uh i i think that should be an

2765
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:24,480
indicator of the level of briefing that

2766
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,000
they're receiving in the information

2767
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:28,560
yeah it wouldn't be the tic tac video uh

2768
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:29,840
to get him to do this

2769
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:32,960
i i'm i'm i'm fairly confident

2770
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:36,080
in in saying that and then we have

2771
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:39,199
uh the very curious quote

2772
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,800
from dr eric davis um and

2773
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,639
you know where i'm going with this but

2774
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,719
he uh in the

2775
01:46:50,709 --> 01:46:48,880
the last new york times article by

2776
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:50,719
leslie kane and and ralph

2777
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:53,679
blumenthal very excellent but it at the

2778
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:54,560
bottom

2779
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:56,560
there's this little quote from dr eric

2780
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:57,920
davis saying

2781
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:01,600
that he briefed the senate and told them

2782
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:04,400
that we are in possession of flying

2783
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:05,520
saucers

2784
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,480
right now you can't there's no way to

2785
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,400
read between the lines on this it was a

2786
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:12,159
very clear quote

2787
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,440
and the new york times had to vet the

2788
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:16,960
quote they're not going to put that in

2789
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,040
the new york times without having

2790
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,960
something sourced there they were

2791
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:22,960
comfortable with it correct

2792
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,639
um what's eric davis talking about

2793
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:28,719
well i'd have to defer to my friend eric

2794
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:29,920
davis um

2795
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:33,679
you know uh he said what he said um

2796
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:36,880
you know he uh if you know eric davis

2797
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:38,880
you'll realize that he's got a really

2798
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,880
interesting personality trait

2799
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,119
he's one of the few people i often joke

2800
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:44,880
on the planet that can't lie

2801
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:47,520
um literally there's a quirk there in

2802
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:48,719
the personality that

2803
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:50,880
that the guy i think you could put like

2804
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:52,000
i've said before you could put a knife

2805
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:53,199
to the guy's throat

2806
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:55,199
and he's going to die because the guy

2807
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:56,560
you could try to force him to lie and he

2808
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:57,280
just

2809
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,719
he can't do it um so uh

2810
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,800
i've had the honor and privilege to to

2811
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:04,800
work both directly and indirectly with

2812
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:05,920
with eric

2813
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,600
um he is a man of uh utmost

2814
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:12,239
um credibility and he has served this

2815
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:13,600
nation honorably

2816
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,199
there are things that he has done for

2817
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:17,199
this nation that he will never take

2818
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,880
credit for but i've seen the reporting

2819
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:20,880
and know exactly what he's done

2820
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:23,119
uh and he's a true asset to our nation

2821
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:24,960
and so when he tells you

2822
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,040
that he has done something i would take

2823
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:28,560
that to the bank

2824
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:31,920
why why this is i just want your opinion

2825
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:32,639
on this

2826
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,600
why hasn't a journalist out there a

2827
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:36,960
reporter

2828
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,000
seized on that quote it may be the most

2829
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:41,920
incredible quote in human history

2830
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:45,440
if we really take it at face value

2831
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:48,560
why hasn't anybody taken this a step

2832
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:49,040
further

2833
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,159
it's extraordinary information well i

2834
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:55,040
mean don't look now jimmy but you are

2835
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,400
you're taking it forward you just you

2836
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,320
just asked me that question

2837
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,800
in front of who knows how many members

2838
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,480
in your audience are listening

2839
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:05,520
uh you just laid down the gauntlet so i

2840
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,320
don't know why

2841
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,159
why let me turn the tables and ask you

2842
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:10,239
jimmy i mean you're a guy in the media

2843
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:10,639
why

2844
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:13,920
before i think it's a great question

2845
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,280
yeah i

2846
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:17,280
i have i've made statements over the

2847
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:18,480
years uh

2848
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:21,199
i i have a large audience uh both here

2849
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,040
and and over at coast to coast

2850
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:25,280
i've said some extraordinary things i

2851
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:27,920
didn't get anything from the media

2852
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,080
i've always found that very very

2853
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,320
interesting and i i don't know why

2854
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:35,119
um but to take this question one step

2855
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,360
further

2856
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:40,400
lozando is our government in possession

2857
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:41,280
of

2858
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:44,400
crashed retrieved

2859
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:48,080
landed traded flying saucers and

2860
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:51,760
technology not of this earth

2861
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:55,199
i can't answer that question as stated

2862
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,280
if you want to rephrase the question i

2863
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:58,639
will do my best

2864
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,360
to to provide you an answer but as

2865
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:03,440
stated i cannot answer that question

2866
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:07,119
the uh are we in possession of a flying

2867
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:08,239
saucer

2868
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:11,760
our government um let me let me say this

2869
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:13,760
let me put it this way

2870
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:16,880
it is my personal belief that

2871
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:20,719
we are in possession of um

2872
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,719
tangible evidence

2873
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,320
call it material call it whatever you

2874
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:29,280
want uh and that is all i'm prepared to

2875
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,080
say

2876
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,639
uh at this time well i have to be very

2877
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,639
very careful not to cross the line i

2878
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:36,320
know people want to know if

2879
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:37,840
understand people say oh well you keep

2880
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:39,520
hiding behind your nda as

2881
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:41,040
an excuse no i'm not actually i don't

2882
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,560
want to go to jail frankly

2883
01:50:45,669 --> 01:50:44,159
and second of all i don't want to betray

2884
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,679
the trusted american people

2885
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,280
i have a security clearance which isn't

2886
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:48,800
just given from the government

2887
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:51,040
it is it is it has been entrusted upon

2888
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,400
me by the american people

2889
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:55,440
and i'm not going to betray that just to

2890
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,400
go ahead

2891
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:58,800
and and get up get a few likes if you

2892
01:51:02,790 --> 01:50:59,760
will on twitter

2893
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,800
um i i take that seriously and when i'm

2894
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:04,400
finally relieved of that or the

2895
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,840
information becomes officially

2896
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:07,920
declassified then i will talk all day

2897
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:08,719
about it

2898
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:11,040
but until that time comes i have to be

2899
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,360
very very careful very mindful

2900
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,320
of everything i say and i don't want to

2901
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:17,679
jeopardize

2902
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:20,080
the momentum we have gained over the

2903
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:21,440
last three years

2904
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:25,040
by saying something that

2905
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,310
halt stop hinder the

2906
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:34,560
the progress that we're making if you

2907
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:36,080
were in possession

2908
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:39,360
of uh the video

2909
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:43,360
documents the smoking gun and files

2910
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,239
would you uh take the path of edward

2911
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,239
snowden would you be a martyr

2912
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:51,119
would you present the information wasn't

2913
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:51,679
a martyr

2914
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:54,800
but yeah but you understand the the

2915
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:57,119
the way that i'm from the traitor what i

2916
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:58,400
i do i just said what you're saying but

2917
01:52:02,629 --> 01:51:58,719
but

2918
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:02,639
and he was he was a traitor he wasn't a

2919
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,599
martyr

2920
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:05,360
even though he he he provided

2921
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:07,119
information that provided us insight on

2922
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:08,480
things that were happening to include

2923
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,280
fisa

2924
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:11,360
that's not the right way to go about

2925
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:12,639
making an issue

2926
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:14,000
you don't you don't reveal your

2927
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,840
information all you have in your dirty

2928
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:17,760
laundry to your enemy that's that's

2929
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,719
the wrong approach to take if i had was

2930
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,400
in possession of those videos i would do

2931
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:24,239
exactly what i'm doing right now

2932
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:27,040
continue to push the system to do what

2933
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:28,480
is intended to do

2934
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:31,040
it is not up to me luis elizonda to tell

2935
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:31,840
the world

2936
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:33,679
everything you know about ufos it's up

2937
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,840
to the world to then pressure congress

2938
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:37,599
to enable congress to then pressure the

2939
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:38,880
executive department

2940
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:40,800
to do what to to provide what they know

2941
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,080
about ufos

2942
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,119
that's what needs to happen otherwise

2943
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,239
you know i become this this this

2944
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:50,480
demigod of a personality and that's not

2945
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,679
what this is about this

2946
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:53,599
this journey cannot be about any one

2947
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:55,280
single person it definitely cannot be

2948
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,239
just about me

2949
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:58,080
it has to be about the collective will

2950
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,760
of the people and this is what i keep

2951
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:01,119
trying to drive home

2952
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:04,000
it is up to the government to work the

2953
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,320
way

2954
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:07,280
it was intended to do and then provide

2955
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:08,480
us the information

2956
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,960
that we are seeking it is not up to luis

2957
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:13,280
elizondo or chris mellon or tom delong

2958
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:15,599
or anybody else or jimmy church to do

2959
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:17,599
that it is up to our government and so

2960
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:19,599
we have to do our best to enable our

2961
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:20,560
government

2962
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,679
to to function the way we expect it to

2963
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,679
function look in 144 days

2964
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,000
a report is due to congress whether we

2965
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:29,440
like it or not now maybe it will ask for

2966
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,960
an extension who knows

2967
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:32,719
but the last thing you want to do is

2968
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:34,639
provide congress some half-baked report

2969
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:36,080
that doesn't have all the information in

2970
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,480
there

2971
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:38,239
that by the way frankly they deserve to

2972
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:40,320
have right that's how you make the

2973
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:41,520
system work

2974
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:44,560
by by by getting the information to the

2975
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:46,159
right people at the right time so they

2976
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:47,920
can make the right decisions

2977
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,760
so that's that's what i would do no i

2978
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:51,119
would not repeat

2979
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:53,520
anything that edward snowden or manning

2980
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,560
did uh

2981
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:56,800
i i find it absolutely reprehensible and

2982
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:58,320
despicable

2983
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:59,520
i know there's a lot of people out there

2984
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,520
that may chew on me for that but

2985
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,920
um you know i i don't ever ever think

2986
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:05,920
there's a time to betray your country

2987
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:08,080
ever what do you expect to be in that

2988
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:08,960
report

2989
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:11,840
and and before you answer it it's very

2990
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:13,520
interesting in the wording

2991
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:16,400
uh there that there is the public

2992
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:17,040
section

2993
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,080
and then they are reserving a classified

2994
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,280
section in the report is that an out

2995
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:26,000
not to reveal anything or you know the

2996
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:27,119
juicy stuff

2997
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:29,440
what do you expect in the public side of

2998
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:30,719
that report

2999
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,880
well look there's been reports before

3000
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:34,639
national intelligence estimates where we

3001
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:35,440
talk about

3002
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,599
north korean nuclear capability and

3003
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:39,119
there's a lot of information that gets

3004
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:40,960
out into the public sector that's

3005
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,400
unclassified that's still very

3006
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:44,880
meaningful that's quote-unquote juicy

3007
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,040
you know i i think we sometimes confuse

3008
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,199
classified information with being juicy

3009
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:50,800
that's not always the case a lot of

3010
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:52,239
classified information is actually very

3011
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:53,119
dull and boring

3012
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,679
it's just extremely technical and so i

3013
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:57,199
think what you might see

3014
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:59,760
in the classified portion is that part

3015
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:00,480
of the data

3016
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:03,360
that involves specific sensor units

3017
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:05,520
specific locations specific times

3018
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:07,040
specific call signs

3019
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:10,800
specific capabilities that is all very

3020
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:12,159
sensitive information that you don't

3021
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:13,440
necessarily want to getting out to the

3022
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:14,000
public

3023
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,440
not because we don't trust the american

3024
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,440
people but there's no way to tell the

3025
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:19,280
american people and not have our

3026
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:22,960
foreign adversaries also informed so

3027
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:26,000
there is a there is a deliberate

3028
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:28,880
effort um by the government to safeguard

3029
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:30,320
this information which i think they

3030
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,960
should

3031
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:33,199
and then that information which does not

3032
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,880
need to be classified which by the way

3033
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:36,320
people don't realize there's actually

3034
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:37,199
rules

3035
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,719
and regulations that prohibit the the

3036
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:42,239
indiscriminate classification of

3037
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,760
information you can't do it you have to

3038
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:44,960
you have to follow very specific

3039
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,760
guidelines

3040
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:47,760
for that to be classified i don't

3041
01:55:52,390 --> 01:55:49,119
anticipate you're going to have

3042
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:52,400
in one one report a a response the

3043
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,920
american people say nothing to see here

3044
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:55,920
folks and then in a classified annex

3045
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:58,159
saying oh my god here it is and you know

3046
01:56:02,390 --> 01:55:59,199
here's the mothership

3047
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,400
i i i don't expect that i think

3048
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:04,480
um well you know what i'm not going to

3049
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:05,840
go any further than that i'm not going

3050
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:07,599
to pine on what what i think might be in

3051
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:08,560
that report

3052
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:11,599
um but i think it will be consistent i

3053
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:14,400
i i will tell you i don't think 144 days

3054
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,000
is long enough

3055
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,239
to provide a a comprehensive report it

3056
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,000
takes longer to build a house

3057
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,400
in some cases i'm not sure how you're

3058
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,320
going to go to all 18 intelligence

3059
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:26,239
members of the intelligence community

3060
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,159
and get all the information that they

3061
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:29,760
have which they themselves don't always

3062
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:31,199
know where that information is or even

3063
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:32,560
if they have it right

3064
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:34,320
they're little enclaves little pockets

3065
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:36,080
that takes time that takes coordination

3066
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:37,199
and you've got to make sure everybody

3067
01:56:40,229 --> 01:56:38,719
who's getting this information

3068
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:40,239
has the appropriate appropriate security

3069
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,080
clearance it's not just top secret sti

3070
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:44,159
maybe it's sap maybe it's cap maybe it's

3071
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:46,320
who knows there's all sorts of of

3072
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:48,159
compensatory markings

3073
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:51,440
and and levels of read on that not any

3074
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:53,599
one individual necessarily has or knows

3075
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:55,119
chris mellon said himself you know you

3076
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:56,159
would have think being the

3077
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:57,840
the guy running all the sap special

3078
01:56:59,669 --> 01:56:59,119
access programs for the department of

3079
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,679
defense

3080
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,040
he would have known about our type of

3081
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:03,199
effort but he didn't right so

3082
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,880
this kind of stuff flies under the radar

3083
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:06,239
all the time and i'm not i'm not

3084
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:07,599
justifying that i know people are going

3085
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,320
to say what

3086
01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:09,440
that shouldn't be you're right it

3087
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:11,840
shouldn't be but but it is and that's

3088
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:12,239
that's

3089
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,520
one of the things we're trying to fix

3090
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:15,760
now by putting some sort of mechanism in

3091
01:57:18,070 --> 01:57:16,560
place

3092
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,080
that put some sort of administrative

3093
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:20,560
oversight and and someone in a position

3094
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:21,920
of authority to say you know

3095
01:57:25,510 --> 01:57:23,599
be the daddy bear say hey you know that

3096
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:25,520
that information belongs to me

3097
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:28,000
ultimately that comes to me and that's

3098
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:29,280
that's what we're trying to achieve

3099
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:31,199
i i've got about uh two minutes before

3100
01:57:36,629 --> 01:57:32,719
the break has the

3101
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:36,639
uap task force uh reached out to you

3102
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:39,679
and chris mellon for information or

3103
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:40,880
consulting

3104
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:44,480
for this report i i can't answer that

3105
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:46,080
um that would be up for the us

3106
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:48,320
government to answer that question um

3107
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:51,280
uh i'm not saying yes or no it's just uh

3108
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:51,760
uh

3109
01:57:56,310 --> 01:57:54,960
that's um that's is it as a question you

3110
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:56,320
would have to bring up

3111
01:58:02,070 --> 01:57:59,440
to to uh to the us government

3112
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:02,080
great answer so the answer is yes okay

3113
01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:03,360
well

3114
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i didn't say that let's take our break

3115
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right here our guest tonight

3116
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lou elizondo i am your host jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

3200
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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3201
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:10,560
jimmy church i guess tonight lou

3202
02:02:16,870 --> 02:02:13,440
elizondo what a great conversation

3203
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:16,880
i expected this and so did you

3204
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,440
and uh i want to take the opportunity uh

3205
02:02:25,189 --> 02:02:21,280
lou in this next segment

3206
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:25,199
uh to discuss disclosure and

3207
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:27,440
uh if you would i ask this of every

3208
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:29,040
guest on the show

3209
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:32,719
uh everyone um what is your definition

3210
02:02:41,669 --> 02:02:39,350
wow uh you know i've been asked that a

3211
02:02:43,430 --> 02:02:41,679
few times and and i hate to say this but

3212
02:02:45,109 --> 02:02:43,440
but i think my my definition keeps

3213
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:45,119
changing um

3214
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:48,560
you know disclosure for me is i've

3215
02:02:51,109 --> 02:02:50,320
always said it's a process it's not an

3216
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:51,119
event

3217
02:02:54,550 --> 02:02:52,880
and i think in five years from now we're

3218
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:54,560
going to look back and we are we're

3219
02:02:59,589 --> 02:02:56,080
going to realize we are actually

3220
02:03:01,030 --> 02:02:59,599
living through disclosure right now um

3221
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:01,040
disclosure for me

3222
02:03:08,470 --> 02:03:05,599
is is basically an acknowledgement

3223
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:08,480
by by the cognizant authority to say

3224
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:09,199
that

3225
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:11,599
these things are real without ascribing

3226
02:03:15,109 --> 02:03:13,679
a narrative without ascribing an origin

3227
02:03:18,390 --> 02:03:15,119
without ascribing

3228
02:03:21,510 --> 02:03:18,400
anything else um just

3229
02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:21,520
recognizing the reality that

3230
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:23,920
uaps are real and they have been real

3231
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:25,840
for a very long time and that

3232
02:03:30,229 --> 02:03:27,920
it's something that we we need to pay

3233
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:30,239
attention to i think for me

3234
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:33,840
um that is that is

3235
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:36,320
that's the goal post and i think i think

3236
02:03:39,189 --> 02:03:37,920
to some degree we've achieved it already

3237
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:39,199
you already have

3238
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:40,560
key people in our government

3239
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:42,800
acknowledging it so so i think you're

3240
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:44,239
you're living through disclosure right

3241
02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:44,639
now

3242
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:45,599
people say well i can't wait for

3243
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:47,760
disclosure well you may be waiting a

3244
02:03:51,109 --> 02:03:48,800
long time because

3245
02:03:53,910 --> 02:03:51,119
if your definition of disclosure is a

3246
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:53,920
ufo landing on the white house law

3247
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:57,040
that may never happen um i think i think

3248
02:04:00,310 --> 02:03:59,360
disclosure is and the reason why it's so

3249
02:04:01,750 --> 02:04:00,320
hard to

3250
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:01,760
to describe is because it means

3251
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:03,520
something different to every everybody

3252
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:05,040
out there you can ask anybody

3253
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:06,239
anybody on the street they'll probably

3254
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:09,040
give you a a different goal post for

3255
02:04:11,669 --> 02:04:10,400
what disclosure is

3256
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:11,679
i also think we have to be careful

3257
02:04:15,669 --> 02:04:13,920
because confirmation

3258
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:15,679
is not necessarily disclosure i hear the

3259
02:04:20,229 --> 02:04:17,440
terms utilize quite a bit no

3260
02:04:21,270 --> 02:04:20,239
confirmation and disclosure but to me

3261
02:04:25,189 --> 02:04:21,280
confirmation

3262
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:25,199
is the confirming of a pre-existing

3263
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:28,320
narrative that it is

3264
02:04:31,669 --> 02:04:31,199
this way and i am not sure we have

3265
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:31,679
enough

3266
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:34,159
information or data yet to have a

3267
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,920
narrative i know there's a lot of people

3268
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:37,360
out there that think they have a

3269
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:38,159
narrative

3270
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:41,679
and they have the answers um i don't

3271
02:04:45,109 --> 02:04:43,760
i i think you know when people ask me

3272
02:04:47,189 --> 02:04:45,119
you know where are we on the journey are

3273
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,199
we at the beginning of the end

3274
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:49,280
and i say no let's say well are we at

3275
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:50,880
the end of the beginning and

3276
02:04:55,030 --> 02:04:53,599
say no i i i don't mean to be

3277
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:55,040
discouraging but i think we're at the

3278
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:56,480
beginning of the beginning

3279
02:05:00,310 --> 02:04:58,719
um but that's a good thing because that

3280
02:05:01,510 --> 02:05:00,320
means there's a whole lot more to come

3281
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:01,520
that means there's a whole lot more

3282
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,719
understanding and with with

3283
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:04,560
understanding comes opportunity

3284
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:06,719
so uh you know i'm not an all doom and

3285
02:05:10,629 --> 02:05:08,880
gloom kind of guy i try to be pragmatic

3286
02:05:13,030 --> 02:05:10,639
and practical as much as possible

3287
02:05:13,669 --> 02:05:13,040
and not allow my emotions to lead you

3288
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:13,679
know my

3289
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:16,320
my decision-making process um unless it

3290
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:17,920
comes to my daughters of course that's a

3291
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:18,560
different

3292
02:05:22,069 --> 02:05:21,440
story but um you know then i'm

3293
02:05:25,109 --> 02:05:22,079
definitely

3294
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:25,119
an emotional guy but in this particular

3295
02:05:27,350 --> 02:05:25,760
topic

3296
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:27,360
i think it's important that we let the

3297
02:05:30,390 --> 02:05:28,800
data speak for itself

3298
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:30,400
and there's still a lot of data that

3299
02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:32,560
that hasn't been presented yet so

3300
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:36,079
uh my word of advice would be try to

3301
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:39,360
resist the urge as much as possible of

3302
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:41,280
of having some sort of preconceived

3303
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:42,880
notion or narrative

3304
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:45,040
and you know take a breath for a moment

3305
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:47,199
step back and and

3306
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:48,639
look at the new data that's coming

3307
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:50,880
forward now maybe it'll reconfirm

3308
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:52,800
the existing narrative you already have

3309
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:54,639
that's possible

3310
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:56,560
maybe it doesn't maybe it helps inform

3311
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:58,239
something else and you begin to evolve

3312
02:06:02,149 --> 02:05:59,280
your position

3313
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:02,159
which is also you know a good thing um

3314
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:02,800
we're

3315
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:06,639
learning and that's something that we

3316
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,800
we should always encourage our fellow

3317
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:10,400
brothers and sisters on this planet to

3318
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:11,119
always do

3319
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:13,199
learning is is an innate part of being a

3320
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,800
human being just like breathing and just

3321
02:06:19,270 --> 02:06:16,400
like eating

3322
02:06:20,149 --> 02:06:19,280
it it's who we are it's in our dna

3323
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:20,159
before

3324
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:25,760
uh ttsa uh prior to 2017

3325
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:29,040
um did atip have an interest in chris

3326
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:29,840
bledsoe

3327
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:32,000
and did you meet with him before the

3328
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:32,880
forming of

3329
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:36,560
ttsa i i did not

3330
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:39,280
um i i did not that's not to say that

3331
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:40,079
other elements

3332
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:44,639
within uh the asap portfolio did

3333
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:47,760
prior to me but i wasn't really

3334
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:49,840
part of awesome i was tangentially

3335
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:51,119
attached to it

3336
02:06:54,149 --> 02:06:53,199
but really my focus has always primarily

3337
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:54,159
been on atip

3338
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:58,159
and the bloodsow was not uh the

3339
02:07:01,990 --> 02:06:59,280
bloodsows

3340
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:02,000
family were not uh part of that the

3341
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:03,360
reason why look it's very practical it's

3342
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:04,079
not that

3343
02:07:07,669 --> 02:07:06,480
we didn't or did believe them we're a

3344
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:07,679
dod organization

3345
02:07:11,030 --> 02:07:09,280
operating under title 10 authorities

3346
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,040
meaning title 10 meaning we can only

3347
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:12,400
talk to

3348
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:15,360
military or military related people and

3349
02:07:18,550 --> 02:07:17,119
have access to that information and the

3350
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:18,560
data collection platforms

3351
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:19,920
we couldn't just go out to private

3352
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:21,760
citizens to to joe schmo

3353
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:24,079
or jane smith and say hey tell me what

3354
02:07:25,990 --> 02:07:25,360
you know about ufos or what have you

3355
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:26,000
seen or anything

3356
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:29,119
paranormal we weren't allowed to do that

3357
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:30,880
we had to keep very narrowly focused

3358
02:07:33,910 --> 02:07:32,480
because when you present that data to

3359
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:33,920
dod leadership

3360
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:35,520
there's all sorts of considerations

3361
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:37,040
there not just the validity and the

3362
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:37,679
veracity

3363
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:39,040
information that you're collecting but

3364
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:40,880
there's rules and laws i can't just go

3365
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:41,360
out

3366
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:44,000
and collect u.s persons information i

3367
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:45,920
said at the beginning of this broadcast

3368
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,360
there's collection retention and

3369
02:07:53,669 --> 02:07:49,920
dissemination of u.s persons information

3370
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:53,679
that is very very res restrictive

3371
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:55,840
any intelligence organization collecting

3372
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:58,000
that can it's a big no-no

3373
02:08:02,069 --> 02:07:59,920
unless you have very specific approvals

3374
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:02,079
to do that and then then there's even a

3375
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:03,199
time limit so

3376
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:05,040
so we couldn't go out just willy-nilly

3377
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:07,199
and talk to anybody um that that

3378
02:08:10,629 --> 02:08:09,119
that wasn't possible we'd get slapped

3379
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:10,639
with the procedure 15 violation

3380
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:14,000
very very quickly so um

3381
02:08:19,189 --> 02:08:17,280
to put it bluntly the answer is no um

3382
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:19,199
have you but let me caveat that doesn't

3383
02:08:23,430 --> 02:08:21,040
that i want to make this very important

3384
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:23,440
this important statement please uh just

3385
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:24,320
for a moment to your

3386
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:27,280
audience sure that doesn't necessarily

3387
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:27,840
mean

3388
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:29,840
that what is occurring at the blood

3389
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:31,360
cells is or

3390
02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:34,560
is not real it's just simply we didn't

3391
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:35,360
look at it

3392
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:38,159
because the data wasn't uh within the

3393
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:38,800
subset

3394
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:40,560
that we were allowed to look at if that

3395
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:41,920
makes sense understood

3396
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:44,560
understood um have you ever have you

3397
02:08:52,709 --> 02:08:50,639
ever seen a ufo

3398
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:52,719
i mean jimmy that was that was kind of

3399
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,119
my job for almost 10 years yeah i

3400
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,239
saw a lot of them um out uh uh

3401
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:01,360
at night during the day accidents oh so

3402
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:03,040
you're talking aside from my job

3403
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:20,390
um i i would prefer to buy a vowel and

3404
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:20,880
maybe

3405
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:22,639
the next time we have a chat answer that

3406
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:24,159
question um

3407
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:27,280
i i'm very careful not to superimpose my

3408
02:09:29,910 --> 02:09:27,760
own

3409
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:29,920
personal experiences on the data

3410
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:30,960
collection

3411
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,960
i don't ever want to prejudice the jury

3412
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,079
so to speak

3413
02:09:40,790 --> 02:09:37,920
in the collection of information it's

3414
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:40,800
important that my own personal opinions

3415
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:43,199
uh and positions are not factored into

3416
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:44,639
it look at it like any court of law

3417
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:46,000
investigator your job is to

3418
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:47,679
to collect the facts and preserve the

3419
02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:49,520
facts and then present those facts to to

3420
02:09:52,629 --> 02:09:51,119
a jury

3421
02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:52,639
in this case the american people are the

3422
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:54,800
jury okay my job is simple collect the

3423
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,480
truth speak the truth that's it

3424
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:58,480
and then i take that information and i

3425
02:10:02,149 --> 02:10:00,480
provide it in a consumable manner

3426
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,159
for for the jury in this case the

3427
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:03,840
american people to have a conversation

3428
02:10:07,510 --> 02:10:04,480
about

3429
02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:07,520
as uh an employee

3430
02:10:11,189 --> 02:10:09,119
of our government in the department of

3431
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:11,199
defense that was your career

3432
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:14,560
one of the things all all young men

3433
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:17,760
do this myself included we take great

3434
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:18,800
pride in

3435
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:21,920
in in knowing aircraft and helicopters

3436
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:23,280
and rockets and

3437
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:25,679
the names of astronauts it's what we do

3438
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:26,639
right it is

3439
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:28,800
so you're you're out there and you see

3440
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:30,560
something in the sky

3441
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:33,679
when as a professional you can identify

3442
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:34,719
anything

3443
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:38,560
right soviet helicopter brazilian

3444
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,480
training jet aircraft

3445
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:43,040
you know what you're looking at when you

3446
02:10:47,510 --> 02:10:44,880
see something in the sky that you can't

3447
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:47,520
explain what goes through your mind

3448
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:49,599
so jimmy i'm gonna your your audience

3449
02:10:53,109 --> 02:10:50,880
can't see this but i'm gonna show you

3450
02:10:54,870 --> 02:10:53,119
real quick these are official

3451
02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:54,880
department of defense identification

3452
02:10:59,109 --> 02:10:56,960
cards and what you can see here

3453
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:59,119
are the profiles of aircraft right this

3454
02:11:02,310 --> 02:11:00,639
is a russian helicopter

3455
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:02,320
absolutely you can see the stack of this

3456
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,719
right this is this is the training age

3457
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,960
that this that that our military

3458
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:09,119
servicemen and women in uniform are

3459
02:11:11,669 --> 02:11:10,159
trained to identify

3460
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:11,679
the difference between a european

3461
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,840
tornado an f-16 an su-22 and mig-25

3462
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:17,360
from 20 miles away and by the way from

3463
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:18,480
multiple different angles from the

3464
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:19,760
bottom from the side from the top from

3465
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:21,040
the front

3466
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:24,239
that is is very much what our trained

3467
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:26,159
observers are trained to do

3468
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:29,199
and uh you're right when you see

3469
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:31,840
something that doesn't look like

3470
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:33,199
anything we have it doesn't even have

3471
02:11:36,629 --> 02:11:34,159
wings cockpit

3472
02:11:38,709 --> 02:11:36,639
engine control surfaces and yet somehow

3473
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:38,719
is able to defy the natural effects of

3474
02:11:42,069 --> 02:11:39,840
earth's gravity

3475
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:42,079
and pull g-forces nexus of five six

3476
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:43,920
seven hundred g's and perform at speeds

3477
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:44,320
of

3478
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:46,400
up to thirteen thousand miles an hour in

3479
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:47,920
our atmosphere

3480
02:11:51,910 --> 02:11:50,880
um yeah that that's that's a great

3481
02:11:53,189 --> 02:11:51,920
question isn't it uh

3482
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:53,199
you know that makes you scratch your

3483
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:54,560
head to say okay what are what are we

3484
02:11:59,109 --> 02:11:55,520
dealing with

3485
02:12:01,910 --> 02:11:59,119
is there a lazar sport model uh

3486
02:12:03,109 --> 02:12:01,920
flying saucer in in that deck of cards

3487
02:12:06,229 --> 02:12:03,119
i'm just asking

3488
02:12:09,430 --> 02:12:06,239
for a friend there is not

3489
02:12:10,629 --> 02:12:09,440
uh but uh also let me let me caveat that

3490
02:12:13,270 --> 02:12:10,639
i i've never had

3491
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:13,280
uh the opportunity to meet mr lazar so i

3492
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:14,639
i don't know

3493
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:16,960
uh much about him i suspect your next

3494
02:12:19,830 --> 02:12:18,239
question is gonna be what do i think

3495
02:12:22,950 --> 02:12:19,840
about him no

3496
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:22,960
no no no no no that's that's drama

3497
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:24,800
uh we don't need we don't need to go

3498
02:12:30,149 --> 02:12:26,639
there but um

3499
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:30,159
uh the other part of this though is

3500
02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:32,880
when you what we're talking about

3501
02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:35,119
disclosure here and when you see

3502
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:37,840
for yourself something you don't

3503
02:12:40,870 --> 02:12:38,880
necessarily

3504
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:40,880
need the president of the united states

3505
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:42,719
to step up to a podium on live

3506
02:12:47,030 --> 02:12:44,159
television and say we no

3507
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:47,040
we are not alone because as a civilian

3508
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:49,360
you've seen what you have seen

3509
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:52,560
is that pushing part of your effort

3510
02:12:55,990 --> 02:12:55,520
here knowing privately what you have

3511
02:12:57,910 --> 02:12:56,000
seen

3512
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:57,920
and then the other side of it where

3513
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:00,239
you're trying to get those answers

3514
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:03,440
yeah absolutely i mean it's

3515
02:13:08,390 --> 02:13:05,920
this is a global phenomenon jimmy this

3516
02:13:10,310 --> 02:13:08,400
isn't this isn't something new

3517
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:10,320
this isn't something that was just

3518
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:11,440
recognized when

3519
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:13,520
when atip came about or the program

3520
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:15,360
before that or blue book before that or

3521
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:16,000
the pro

3522
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:18,719
you know when i was over in in italy i

3523
02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:19,360
had

3524
02:13:22,950 --> 02:13:21,599
someone show me an old scroll and it was

3525
02:13:25,669 --> 02:13:22,960
a discussion between

3526
02:13:27,510 --> 02:13:25,679
a a roman soldier and a roman general

3527
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:27,520
this is a 2 000 year old document in

3528
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:28,320
latin

3529
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:30,159
and and it's a conversation where they

3530
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:32,079
describe these things called the eclipse

3531
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:35,119
eclipses is a roman shield and they

3532
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:37,280
describe these flaming roman shields in

3533
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:38,719
the sky that would follow them from

3534
02:13:44,149 --> 02:13:40,719
battle space to battle space

3535
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:44,159
um you know this is important this is

3536
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:44,560
why

3537
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:46,320
we are engaging in the what payton

3538
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:48,000
project with with the indigenous people

3539
02:13:51,830 --> 02:13:49,199
because they have

3540
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:51,840
thousands of years of oral tradition

3541
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:53,520
going back

3542
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:56,480
much longer than pre-recorded history um

3543
02:14:00,229 --> 02:13:57,119
and

3544
02:14:01,589 --> 02:14:00,239
i think it's it's important because some

3545
02:14:03,109 --> 02:14:01,599
of their observations you know they're

3546
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:03,119
trained observers too they're just

3547
02:14:06,069 --> 02:14:04,239
trained observers from their own

3548
02:14:08,390 --> 02:14:06,079
perspective they they know the land and

3549
02:14:10,149 --> 02:14:08,400
their area like nobody else right just

3550
02:14:11,510 --> 02:14:10,159
like a pilot may know the air space

3551
02:14:14,709 --> 02:14:11,520
better than anybody else

3552
02:14:15,990 --> 02:14:14,719
so it's important for us to to to try to

3553
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:16,000
look at this information from a

3554
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,639
comprehensive a holistic perspective

3555
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:20,639
and see if we can see and by the way it

3556
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:22,079
turns out we can the same

3557
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:24,960
observables that we identified in atip

3558
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:25,440
are

3559
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:29,280
ages and they go back to the roman times

3560
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:31,040
they even go back to some of the

3561
02:14:34,790 --> 02:14:32,880
the pre-recorded history that's that's

3562
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:34,800
now part of the oral traditions of our

3563
02:14:38,709 --> 02:14:36,000
indigenous people

3564
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:38,719
um it's it's all there and so it's it's

3565
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,079
for me it's it's fascinating

3566
02:14:43,669 --> 02:14:42,400
and it is something that compels me to

3567
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:43,679
continue to

3568
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:46,800
to to push this topic

3569
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:49,360
forward and by the way you know you're

3570
02:14:53,109 --> 02:14:50,800
part of that equation too

3571
02:14:54,470 --> 02:14:53,119
your audience is part of that equation

3572
02:14:56,310 --> 02:14:54,480
we're all part of that equation

3573
02:14:58,470 --> 02:14:56,320
and this this is a topic that belongs to

3574
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:58,480
all of us not one organization

3575
02:15:01,750 --> 02:15:00,079
as i said or government or institution

3576
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:01,760
or person this is we

3577
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:04,800
we all we all own this together now

3578
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:08,400
uh uh i can't uh

3579
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:11,679
let you get away with without talking

3580
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:13,119
about the tic tac

3581
02:15:19,030 --> 02:15:16,480
so in the limited time that we have left

3582
02:15:20,709 --> 02:15:19,040
um i'm going to start with this are you

3583
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:20,719
kicking me off jimmy

3584
02:15:26,470 --> 02:15:24,239
hey you want to go into overtime

3585
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:26,480
you can you can tell your wife uh you

3586
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:27,679
can blame me

3587
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:30,719
that um

3588
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:35,199
but uh the the tic tac

3589
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:38,560
is the tic tac not of

3590
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:42,320
this earth the nimitz encounter

3591
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:45,520
that the tic tac is that not

3592
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:48,239
of this earth jimmy forgive me for

3593
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:50,079
saying this i i don't want to correct

3594
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:51,679
you publicly but you're asking the wrong

3595
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:53,280
question

3596
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:00,800
man-made or is the tic tac us or is it

3597
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:03,440
tic tac us or foreign adversary

3598
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:04,480
technology

3599
02:16:08,470 --> 02:16:06,960
the answer is no but when you say is it

3600
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:08,480
from this earth

3601
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,880
we don't know that's that's you know

3602
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:12,480
this is why what we've always

3603
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,840
stated before from our position

3604
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:17,119
we don't know if these things are from

3605
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:19,199
outer space inner space or frankly the

3606
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:21,040
space in between as you you begin to

3607
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:23,119
understand the world of quantum physics

3608
02:16:26,790 --> 02:16:25,280
there's a whole lot of reality around us

3609
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:26,800
and we don't interact with it

3610
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:29,360
um you know we're used to the newtonian

3611
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:30,639
understanding of the world

3612
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:32,319
physics where you know gravity and apple

3613
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:34,240
falls from a tree and then along comes

3614
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:36,160
einstein several hundred years later and

3615
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:37,760
talks about this thing called relativity

3616
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:40,080
where space time is actually flexible

3617
02:16:43,509 --> 02:16:41,920
and only in the last 20 30 years have we

3618
02:16:44,309 --> 02:16:43,519
really begin to explore the world of

3619
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:44,319
quantum

3620
02:16:50,469 --> 02:16:50,000
and we're realizing all these realities

3621
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:50,479
as

3622
02:16:57,910 --> 02:16:56,080
are actually very part of the natural

3623
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:57,920
environment and so

3624
02:17:01,110 --> 02:17:00,160
my point being there may be realities

3625
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:01,120
all around us

3626
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:03,439
that we simply don't perceive you know

3627
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:05,679
we're very limited as a species we

3628
02:17:09,349 --> 02:17:07,760
we live in a three-dimensional space x y

3629
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:09,359
z axis and time

3630
02:17:12,549 --> 02:17:10,719
which is a function of i guess of the

3631
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:12,559
fourth dimension and and that's

3632
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:14,240
expressed in a linear

3633
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:17,840
linear if you will linear motion for us

3634
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:20,319
um but that's not to say that there

3635
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:21,840
aren't other things all around us we

3636
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:23,280
sense the universe

3637
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:25,439
through the five primary senses of sight

3638
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:26,319
smell touch

3639
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:29,599
taste and hearing and yet we know that

3640
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,120
we only perceive

3641
02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:33,280
one percent of one percent most of the

3642
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:35,439
universe remains completely invisible to

3643
02:17:38,309 --> 02:17:36,479
us and i don't mean

3644
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:38,319
the universe out there i mean the

3645
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:39,840
universe right here

3646
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:41,920
let me put that into context we know

3647
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:43,280
less than five percent

3648
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:45,920
about our deepest oceans right we we've

3649
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:47,359
mapped but we really don't even have a

3650
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,719
good understanding of what lives in our

3651
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:51,679
own planet let alone anywhere else

3652
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:53,760
we when you look at the human being we

3653
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:56,399
are exactly in the middle of the scale

3654
02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:58,479
of the universe

3655
02:18:01,870 --> 02:18:00,160
if you were to take us being the

3656
02:18:04,309 --> 02:18:01,880
smallest thing and look at the

3657
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,319
grandiosity of the universe which is

3658
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,399
13.5 billion light years in this

3659
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:08,800
direction and 13.5 billion light years

3660
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:10,000
in that direction right

3661
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:12,319
27 billion light years in distance which

3662
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:13,040
is a lot

3663
02:18:16,549 --> 02:18:16,240
we seem pretty small by that scale there

3664
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:16,559
is

3665
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:20,000
equally the same amount of space inside

3666
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:21,439
of the human body

3667
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:24,559
there is this entire universe inside of

3668
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:25,120
us

3669
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:28,559
of the body or even the atoms if you

3670
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:30,080
start talking about subatomic particles

3671
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:31,599
you start talking about muons

3672
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:34,880
and quarks this is reality this is real

3673
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:36,240
even though we can't interact with it

3674
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:36,719
there is

3675
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:39,120
this entire universe inside each and

3676
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:40,719
every one of us now i don't want to get

3677
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:43,359
you know to off off the off the beaten

3678
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:44,160
path here

3679
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:47,359
but my point being is that there is so

3680
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:47,840
much

3681
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:50,960
we don't understand about the universe

3682
02:18:57,669 --> 02:18:54,160
let alone our own selves so i think

3683
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:57,679
it is it is foolhardy for us

3684
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:01,040
to even begin to say definitively

3685
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:04,319
that well the buck stops with us

3686
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:06,080
if we can't see it touch taste or smell

3687
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:07,599
it doesn't exist well

3688
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:10,240
that's clearly not true there are things

3689
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:12,000
coursing through our body right now that

3690
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:13,439
you'll you can't perceive but they're

3691
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:14,240
just as real

3692
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:17,200
wi-fi and sell signal and and emissions

3693
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:17,760
coming in

3694
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:20,719
from satellites and and radar waves all

3695
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:21,920
this is

3696
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,519
very real and and and yet

3697
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:27,599
beyond our our perception we we look at

3698
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:29,359
the world through a very narrow band of

3699
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,559
the electromagnetic spectrum

3700
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:32,319
electro-optical spectrum

3701
02:19:37,030 --> 02:19:35,439
forgive me called light that's it

3702
02:19:38,469 --> 02:19:37,040
and that on when you look at the grand

3703
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:38,479
scale is just a

3704
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:45,429
i guess my question to that is is you

3705
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:46,000
know

3706
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:47,599
going back to your original question are

3707
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:49,120
they from earth

3708
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:52,080
are they not from earth forgive me um i

3709
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:53,120
don't know

3710
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,960
an either or question it's not

3711
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:58,080
necessarily well if they're not from

3712
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:59,280
here they must be from outer space

3713
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:00,399
that's not true

3714
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:02,000
there's a whole bunch of others there's

3715
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:03,439
an option c and d

3716
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,520
and e and f all the way to z of what

3717
02:20:08,710 --> 02:20:06,720
what it could be

3718
02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:08,720
and so let's not limit ourselves by

3719
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:10,240
putting these artificial

3720
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:11,760
limitations well if it's not here it

3721
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:13,280
must be out there right we tend to be

3722
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:14,720
binary creatures

3723
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:16,160
we look at everything in extremes it's

3724
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:18,000
either left or right upper down

3725
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:21,040
hot or cold good or bad and that's

3726
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:22,479
probably because we're cardio social

3727
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:24,720
animals some scientists believe

3728
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:26,240
neuroscientists believe

3729
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:28,560
the first nine months of all humans are

3730
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:30,240
are for the most part in our mother's

3731
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:30,800
womb

3732
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:34,000
that on

3733
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:36,720
off that binary sets the stage for the

3734
02:20:40,309 --> 02:20:38,720
way we think as a species right

3735
02:20:42,469 --> 02:20:40,319
we look at everything in terms of this

3736
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:42,479
either on or off so to speak

3737
02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:44,080
but in reality universe doesn't work

3738
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:46,160
that way the universe isn't binary the

3739
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:46,720
universe

3740
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:50,080
operates and diagonals

3741
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:54,160
uh it it um it it you know it

3742
02:20:58,389 --> 02:20:56,800
it uh it manifests itself in all sorts

3743
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:58,399
of magical ways um

3744
02:21:01,429 --> 02:21:00,880
you know one can look at go ahead i'm

3745
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:01,439
sorry

3746
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:03,040
i know i'm probably going a little bit

3747
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,640
too deep here no

3748
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:06,479
what you everything that you just said

3749
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:08,160
we discuss on this show

3750
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:11,040
uh a few nights a week okay so no you're

3751
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:11,359
not

3752
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:13,520
venturing into a territory that this

3753
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:15,280
audience doesn't understand

3754
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:18,479
but bringing up the universe the tic tac

3755
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:23,200
is not uh a united states thing

3756
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:25,280
it's a global it's not a united right

3757
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:26,560
it's writing united states thing and

3758
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:28,240
it's not it's not a foreign adversarial

3759
02:21:32,870 --> 02:21:30,080
technology so what it is we don't know

3760
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:32,880
but it ain't ours

3761
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:37,200
would uh would there be a cooperation

3762
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:41,600
with china or with the soviet union

3763
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:44,240
with what the tic tac represents is

3764
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:45,040
there

3765
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:49,040
about this data

3766
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:51,520
i i can't i can't discuss that but what

3767
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:53,680
i can say is if you look at the recent

3768
02:21:56,070 --> 02:21:54,319
uh

3769
02:21:57,510 --> 02:21:56,080
headlines of japan reaching out and

3770
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:57,520
establishing a bilateral

3771
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:58,880
information sharing relationship with

3772
02:22:01,429 --> 02:22:00,399
the united states specifically for the

3773
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:01,439
purposes

3774
02:22:04,550 --> 02:22:03,040
of sharing uap information that's

3775
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:04,560
probably a pretty good indicator

3776
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:10,479
yeah and uh the is is it something that

3777
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:13,920
you don't necessarily want

3778
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:16,880
another uh an adversary to have

3779
02:22:21,429 --> 02:22:18,800
information to as well

3780
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:21,439
is it in our best interest to keep our

3781
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:22,000
data to

3782
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,960
ourselves well sure and remember today's

3783
02:22:28,070 --> 02:22:26,560
friend could be tomorrow's adversary and

3784
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:28,080
tomorrow's adversary could be our friend

3785
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:29,680
look at look at vietnam for a second

3786
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:31,920
right i mean in the 60s when probably

3787
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:33,520
when your father was in you know it was

3788
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:34,640
a pretty tough place

3789
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:37,760
uh and and we left under there under

3790
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:39,920
some really bad circumstances

3791
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,920
and now they're a wonderful trading

3792
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:43,600
partner in fact we go there all the time

3793
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:45,760
to go to their beaches and tourism and

3794
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:47,120
and we have a wonderful relationship

3795
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:49,200
with vietnam so you know

3796
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:51,120
the problem is when you're talking about

3797
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:52,560
governments you're really talking about

3798
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:54,640
people and people are very fickle

3799
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,080
people run hot and cold all the time and

3800
02:23:01,429 --> 02:23:00,319
whenever you have relationships with

3801
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:01,439
other countries

3802
02:23:04,710 --> 02:23:03,040
unfortunately it's usually out of

3803
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:04,720
convenience

3804
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:08,160
not really out of sincere friendship um

3805
02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:11,359
most of the time and that's just the way

3806
02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:14,560
governments are unfortunately i am

3807
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:17,280
hopeful that a topic like this might be

3808
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:18,000
able to bridge

3809
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:21,680
that gap and and and force

3810
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:24,160
enemies to become friends um you know

3811
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:25,120
let's let's

3812
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,680
let's look at this jimmy you and i are

3813
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:29,680
having a conversation right now never in

3814
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:31,359
a million years would people expect you

3815
02:23:35,270 --> 02:23:32,080
and i

3816
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:35,280
to share the same airwaves right i know

3817
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:37,760
philosophically you have probably you

3818
02:23:43,349 --> 02:23:40,720
had a significant difference of opinion

3819
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:43,359
as i do but that's okay because we can

3820
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:44,560
find common ground

3821
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:47,439
in this topic and just like you and i

3822
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:48,560
are able to have an amicable

3823
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:51,280
conversation right now over the airwaves

3824
02:23:54,710 --> 02:23:52,800
government should be able to do the same

3825
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:54,720
thing if we can do it they sure as hell

3826
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:56,319
can do it i don't know why not

3827
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:59,040
so i when i said before there's a lot of

3828
02:24:01,670 --> 02:24:00,000
hope there and there's a lot of

3829
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:01,680
opportunity that's what i meant

3830
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:04,640
this is an area for us to to this is a

3831
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:06,319
global issue

3832
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:08,080
we should just like climate change we

3833
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:09,439
should handle this

3834
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:11,280
uh from a global perspective and how

3835
02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:12,640
wonderful it would be that we could

3836
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:13,600
actually work

3837
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:16,640
with russia or china on this topic and

3838
02:24:21,510 --> 02:24:19,280
yes maybe even iran or north korea

3839
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:21,520
and and for just a moment put aside our

3840
02:24:25,510 --> 02:24:22,479
differences

3841
02:24:27,349 --> 02:24:25,520
and let's share our commonalities as as

3842
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,359
a species not as a country

3843
02:24:31,190 --> 02:24:30,160
not as a nation but truly as a

3844
02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:31,200
civilization

3845
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:34,240
as a planet as a planet and now

3846
02:24:38,309 --> 02:24:36,640
there's another interesting thing here i

3847
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:38,319
know that you've thought about this but

3848
02:24:42,010 --> 02:24:45,510
[Applause]

3849
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:48,070
is this uh i find it interesting and

3850
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:50,399
beyond coincidence that both of these

3851
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:53,920
uh incidents happened with the navy

3852
02:25:00,309 --> 02:24:57,120
with battle groups uh on off the coast

3853
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:02,230
the tic tac didn't happen over los

3854
02:25:08,950 --> 02:25:04,720
angeles the tic tac didn't happen over

3855
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:08,960
wichita it happened with the military

3856
02:25:15,429 --> 02:25:12,240
why i mean that's the question why sure

3857
02:25:17,429 --> 02:25:15,439
there's got to be an answer there well

3858
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:17,439
you know it it it could be that the

3859
02:25:21,110 --> 02:25:19,520
pervasiveness of military technology

3860
02:25:22,870 --> 02:25:21,120
happens to be in places where

3861
02:25:24,710 --> 02:25:22,880
most people aren't and it just happens

3862
02:25:26,389 --> 02:25:24,720
to be a hot spot or

3863
02:25:28,150 --> 02:25:26,399
when you look at a nuclear carrier group

3864
02:25:30,630 --> 02:25:28,160
you realize you have you know a

3865
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:30,640
huge nuclear profile you've got you've

3866
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:31,520
got

3867
02:25:34,630 --> 02:25:33,680
ships that are powered by nuclear

3868
02:25:36,309 --> 02:25:34,640
technology

3869
02:25:38,150 --> 02:25:36,319
you have ships with the capability to

3870
02:25:39,670 --> 02:25:38,160
have nuclear weapons on board

3871
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:39,680
and then you have submarines that are

3872
02:25:43,030 --> 02:25:41,359
not only nuclear power but in some cases

3873
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:43,040
may also have nuclear weapons on board

3874
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:43,680
so

3875
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:46,319
in that small of a footprint of a of a

3876
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:47,280
fleet

3877
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:50,479
you have a you have more more nuclear

3878
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:53,040
technology then then you have probably

3879
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:54,479
the entire state of new york

3880
02:26:02,309 --> 02:25:59,040
so uh is it possible that there is some

3881
02:26:05,990 --> 02:26:02,319
uh congruency there that that there is

3882
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:06,000
an effort to to conduct some sort of

3883
02:26:09,510 --> 02:26:07,600
surveillance operation

3884
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,520
on our nuclear capabilities we've seen

3885
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:11,520
them over our nuclear silos

3886
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:13,680
we see them over our nuclear powered

3887
02:26:17,590 --> 02:26:15,120
capabilities

3888
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:17,600
is that one of the connections we're

3889
02:26:21,910 --> 02:26:19,359
seeing

3890
02:26:22,790 --> 02:26:21,920
and i'm going to leave that question to

3891
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:22,800
you to answer

3892
02:26:27,990 --> 02:26:25,920
well is it is it also inside the realm

3893
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:28,000
of possibility that

3894
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:31,680
northrop or another uh

3895
02:26:38,309 --> 02:26:35,280
aerospace technology company is

3896
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:38,319
is testing their technology on

3897
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:41,040
on us to see what can be read on radar

3898
02:26:44,870 --> 02:26:43,439
what pilots would witness what the crews

3899
02:26:47,270 --> 02:26:44,880
would witness

3900
02:26:48,150 --> 02:26:47,280
and something that we would use in a

3901
02:26:50,710 --> 02:26:48,160
theater

3902
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:50,720
later against an adversary yeah so that

3903
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:52,479
red teaming that you're talking about is

3904
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:53,600
done with tremendous amount of

3905
02:26:56,870 --> 02:26:55,040
coordination the last thing you ever

3906
02:26:59,190 --> 02:26:56,880
want to do is fly some sort of super

3907
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:59,200
secret technology next to a battle

3908
02:27:03,349 --> 02:27:01,520
carrier group or a carrier battle group

3909
02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:03,359
that's suicide you are going to get shot

3910
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:04,960
down out of the sky at some point

3911
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:06,319
or they're going to launch a missile at

3912
02:27:08,309 --> 02:27:07,359
you or they're going to hit you with a

3913
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:08,319
sea whiz

3914
02:27:12,070 --> 02:27:10,240
you're you will not survive very long

3915
02:27:13,670 --> 02:27:12,080
that is a dumb place to do it if you

3916
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:13,680
want to test the capabilities

3917
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:16,000
you do it at a place like area 51 where

3918
02:27:18,630 --> 02:27:17,520
you can control the environment

3919
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:18,640
and you don't have to worry about

3920
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:21,040
fishermen out on fishing boats or people

3921
02:27:24,710 --> 02:27:22,000
on the coast

3922
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:24,720
or other people by mistake coming across

3923
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:25,840
your technology

3924
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:27,359
i can tell you that is not the way the

3925
02:27:31,030 --> 02:27:28,960
department of defense works

3926
02:27:31,990 --> 02:27:31,040
absolutely do we test our technology on

3927
02:27:33,670 --> 02:27:32,000
ourselves sure

3928
02:27:35,190 --> 02:27:33,680
but we coordinate it because we don't

3929
02:27:36,630 --> 02:27:35,200
want to have a mishap where

3930
02:27:38,469 --> 02:27:36,640
all of a sudden we have a collision with

3931
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:38,479
one of these things and we kill a pilot

3932
02:27:42,309 --> 02:27:40,640
or worse it crashes and now that

3933
02:27:43,830 --> 02:27:42,319
technology is all over the ocean

3934
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:43,840
and now the russians can come by with a

3935
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:45,520
submarine and scoop it up that that's

3936
02:27:48,389 --> 02:27:46,800
not the way we do business

3937
02:27:50,309 --> 02:27:48,399
and anybody who says that doesn't know

3938
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:50,319
how the government works

3939
02:27:57,110 --> 02:27:54,080
would the uh uh pentagon uh

3940
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:57,120
look to another private uh group

3941
02:28:03,349 --> 02:28:00,399
out there like ttsa uh to share

3942
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:03,359
information and funnel stuff through i

3943
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:04,560
can't answer that that's a question

3944
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:05,920
you'd have to ask the government

3945
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:08,720
well and you understand why oh i do sure

3946
02:28:31,110 --> 02:28:09,280
sure

3947
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:34,389
we continually went back to the tic tac

3948
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:35,359
in the roosevelt

3949
02:28:39,110 --> 02:28:37,680
and and those three videos and that and

3950
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:39,120
the testimony and all of that was

3951
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:40,000
excellent

3952
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:42,240
but that was three years ago almost four

3953
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:43,600
we're in the fourth year

3954
02:28:49,030 --> 02:28:47,520
now and it seems that ttsa took the foot

3955
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:49,040
off the gas

3956
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:50,640
was it because they didn't have anything

3957
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:52,160
else to bring forward

3958
02:28:55,750 --> 02:28:55,439
or is ttsa sitting on stuff that we will

3959
02:28:58,710 --> 02:28:55,760
see

3960
02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:58,720
in the future jimmy another great

3961
02:29:01,190 --> 02:29:00,000
question you'd have to ask speak on

3962
02:29:02,950 --> 02:29:01,200
behalf of ttsa

3963
02:29:04,790 --> 02:29:02,960
i can tell you you know the things that

3964
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:04,800
chris mellon and i are working on

3965
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:07,040
are absolutely pushing the ball down uh

3966
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:07,840
the field

3967
02:29:11,830 --> 02:29:09,359
what people have noticed probably about

3968
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:11,840
us we tend to go dark for a little while

3969
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:16,800
before another major if you will

3970
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:19,760
announcement that comes we are

3971
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:21,680
absolutely engaged in the fight on a

3972
02:29:25,429 --> 02:29:24,319
daily if not hourly basis this is what

3973
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:25,439
we do

3974
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:29,520
um but what ttsa is doing now

3975
02:29:32,790 --> 02:29:30,720
now that they're focusing on the

3976
02:29:34,550 --> 02:29:32,800
entertainment piece i i really can't

3977
02:29:35,030 --> 02:29:34,560
tell you because i really don't know i i

3978
02:29:37,990 --> 02:29:35,040
don't

3979
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:38,000
have insight into their daily operations

3980
02:29:42,309 --> 02:29:39,040
um

3981
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:42,319
last few years

3982
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:44,560
um they're they're kind of doing their

3983
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:46,319
thing and we're doing our thing

3984
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:49,280
and that's that's where we are i want to

3985
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:51,040
thank you what a great conversation

3986
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:53,200
tonight i look forward to the next time

3987
02:29:58,630 --> 02:29:56,240
and uh i have to ask the obvious

3988
02:30:05,850 --> 02:29:58,640
what are you working on now and what is

3989
02:30:10,309 --> 02:30:08,710
[Music]

3990
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:10,319
they can see what i'm doing right now

3991
02:30:13,030 --> 02:30:11,840
i'm kind of fidgeting and trying to look

3992
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:13,040
for a way out

3993
02:30:19,110 --> 02:30:17,120
um so uh what am i working on now we are

3994
02:30:22,150 --> 02:30:19,120
working on a permanent solution

3995
02:30:23,990 --> 02:30:22,160
uh and i'll i'll leave it at that where

3996
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:24,000
are we going for the future what can we

3997
02:30:28,150 --> 02:30:24,960
expect

3998
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:28,160
hopefully a permanent solution what does

3999
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:29,200
that even mean

4000
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:32,010
you should run for office

4001
02:30:38,790 --> 02:30:36,560
[Laughter]

4002
02:30:40,389 --> 02:30:38,800
i'm not sure i'd get get very many votes

4003
02:30:42,790 --> 02:30:40,399
um

4004
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:42,800
it means that the things that we had set

4005
02:30:46,230 --> 02:30:44,080
out to do originally

4006
02:30:47,110 --> 02:30:46,240
we are still pursuing with great vigor

4007
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:47,120
and

4008
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:49,280
um i think it's fair to say that a task

4009
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,960
force by government terms has always

4010
02:30:53,510 --> 02:30:52,319
been designed to be a temporary

4011
02:30:55,990 --> 02:30:53,520
capability

4012
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:56,000
uh but this is a persistent problem that

4013
02:30:58,950 --> 02:30:58,240
we're facing with uaps it's a persistent

4014
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,960
question

4015
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:01,120
and i'm not sure a temporary capability

4016
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:03,120
is the best way to answer a

4017
02:31:07,429 --> 02:31:05,760
to address a persistent problem i think

4018
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,439
you need a persistent capability to

4019
02:31:11,190 --> 02:31:08,960
address a persistent problem

4020
02:31:12,309 --> 02:31:11,200
did you feel that's an interesting

4021
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:12,319
answer uh

4022
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:15,680
lou did you feel that uh

4023
02:31:21,830 --> 02:31:19,680
ttsa was was holding you back was there

4024
02:31:24,150 --> 02:31:21,840
was was that it because you just said

4025
02:31:26,389 --> 02:31:24,160
we're trying to complete what we started

4026
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:26,399
why not stay with the team and and keep

4027
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:27,520
this moving forward

4028
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:30,720
were did you felt constricted gtsa

4029
02:31:34,870 --> 02:31:32,000
wasn't holding us back

4030
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:34,880
it just it just shifted its focus into

4031
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:36,080
an area

4032
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:38,399
that was that was considered still

4033
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:39,359
helpful

4034
02:31:46,150 --> 02:31:43,040
uh but was was i think probably

4035
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:46,160
more um more appropriate for

4036
02:31:49,510 --> 02:31:47,760
any company any business that's trying

4037
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:49,520
to seek a return on investment

4038
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:51,760
a lot of the efforts chris and i are are

4039
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:53,520
part of are our

4040
02:31:59,030 --> 02:31:56,560
long-term long-duration efforts

4041
02:32:01,510 --> 02:31:59,040
where the return on investment isn't

4042
02:32:03,349 --> 02:32:01,520
necessarily monetary

4043
02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:03,359
and it's it's it's a little bit more

4044
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:05,760
perhaps esoteric

4045
02:32:10,950 --> 02:32:10,160
and so my leaving ttsa was a mutual

4046
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:10,960
decision

4047
02:32:16,550 --> 02:32:14,240
between ttsa and myself in order to

4048
02:32:18,389 --> 02:32:16,560
allow chris and i and others to continue

4049
02:32:20,710 --> 02:32:18,399
to pursue this effort from

4050
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:20,720
from the area of expertise that we bring

4051
02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:21,439
to the table

4052
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:25,040
right while allowing ttsa to fulfill its

4053
02:32:28,150 --> 02:32:25,520
mission

4054
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:28,160
and its commitment to its stockholders

4055
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:28,880
but

4056
02:32:32,710 --> 02:32:30,479
much beyond that you'd really have to

4057
02:32:36,230 --> 02:32:32,720
talk to ttsa again i'm not at

4058
02:32:38,070 --> 02:32:36,240
i'm not at liberty uh to discuss ttsa

4059
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:38,080
business because i i'm not there anymore

4060
02:32:43,670 --> 02:32:41,840
yeah sure sure um do you

4061
02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:43,680
do you think that personally because you

4062
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:45,439
did go uh public

4063
02:32:49,349 --> 02:32:48,640
after um into the private sector after

4064
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:49,359
leaving

4065
02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:52,560
the department of defense that

4066
02:32:58,870 --> 02:32:56,560
any pot do you okay

4067
02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:58,880
do you still have connections and

4068
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:01,120
friends at the dod

4069
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:04,479
that can help you move this forward or

4070
02:33:07,590 --> 02:33:06,560
because you went private and started

4071
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:07,600
talking

4072
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:10,560
that maybe that cooperation isn't there

4073
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:12,640
anymore

4074
02:33:18,870 --> 02:33:16,080
no the first um

4075
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:18,880
i definitely maintain relationships with

4076
02:33:21,110 --> 02:33:19,840
with people back

4077
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:21,120
in in the department and not just the

4078
02:33:24,550 --> 02:33:23,280
department of defense uh the us

4079
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:24,560
government large

4080
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:28,640
um i think it's important that you know

4081
02:33:32,630 --> 02:33:30,880
we we do this together and i don't want

4082
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:32,640
to ever do anything that's out of sync

4083
02:33:35,429 --> 02:33:33,840
or out of step i don't want to do

4084
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:35,439
anything to compromise

4085
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:37,040
efforts that are going on in the

4086
02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:38,319
government i don't want to do anything

4087
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,760
that that can be perceived

4088
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:41,840
as being destructive i want it to be i

4089
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:43,040
want to be constructive

4090
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:44,640
i want to be helpful i want to be an

4091
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:47,200
enabler i don't want to be someone that

4092
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:48,479
interferes

4093
02:33:51,910 --> 02:33:50,800
uh with efforts um that's that's not

4094
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:51,920
what this is about

4095
02:33:55,590 --> 02:33:53,760
this is about helping the government do

4096
02:33:58,710 --> 02:33:55,600
the job that it's supposed to do

4097
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:58,720
uh in in a way that is in the best

4098
02:34:02,309 --> 02:34:00,240
interest of the american people

4099
02:34:03,510 --> 02:34:02,319
and that's what i'm committed to see you

4100
02:34:07,030 --> 02:34:03,520
didn't squirm

4101
02:34:09,349 --> 02:34:07,040
what he said said that you were very

4102
02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:09,359
very matter-of-fact and and determined

4103
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:10,319
in that and

4104
02:34:13,590 --> 02:34:12,000
and i really appreciate that the

4105
02:34:15,670 --> 02:34:13,600
audience can't see uh

4106
02:34:18,389 --> 02:34:15,680
what i see here but you just said that

4107
02:34:21,510 --> 02:34:18,399
with uh such conviction

4108
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:21,520
well i believe it i mean i'm not you

4109
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:22,319
know i'm not a

4110
02:34:25,910 --> 02:34:24,560
an overly intelligent person i'm not a

4111
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:25,920
you know rocket scientist

4112
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:29,200
i'm not a uh you know a lawyer or

4113
02:34:33,510 --> 02:34:30,080
anything like that

4114
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:33,520
um i'm just just a government servant

4115
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:35,200
and a servant to the american people

4116
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:37,920
always happened i i took an oath

4117
02:34:42,150 --> 02:34:40,640
to defend this country long ago from all

4118
02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:42,160
enemies foreign and domestic

4119
02:34:46,150 --> 02:34:44,160
and sometimes those enemies are our

4120
02:34:48,469 --> 02:34:46,160
bureaucracy sometimes the enemy isn't

4121
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:48,479
necessarily holding an ak-47

4122
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:51,120
uh it's holding a pen and paper uh or

4123
02:34:55,510 --> 02:34:51,760
it's it's

4124
02:34:57,030 --> 02:34:55,520
it's stove pipes within the system um

4125
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:57,040
and you know i'm still very much

4126
02:35:01,910 --> 02:34:58,640
committed to to that mission

4127
02:35:03,510 --> 02:35:01,920
um you know i i i know that probably

4128
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:03,520
hinders me to some degree because

4129
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:04,960
there are some people who really don't

4130
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,800
like the fact that i i have connections

4131
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:08,479
to the government

4132
02:35:12,230 --> 02:35:10,479
but i would say that i i don't think we

4133
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:12,240
would be here where we are today in this

4134
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,359
conversation

4135
02:35:16,870 --> 02:35:15,600
if if if we didn't have those

4136
02:35:18,389 --> 02:35:16,880
relationships

4137
02:35:20,710 --> 02:35:18,399
again everybody should be on the boat

4138
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:20,720
this is this is a topic that affects all

4139
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:21,680
of us equally

4140
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:25,200
and and to to excuse a pun but but to

4141
02:35:28,950 --> 02:35:26,080
alienate

4142
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:28,960
people in the government um you know i

4143
02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:29,359
that's

4144
02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:33,120
them on board

4145
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:34,479
we need their talents we need their

4146
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:37,359
expertise to help figure this out

4147
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:40,720
um do you have um uh

4148
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:43,439
see i've got so many questions i i just

4149
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:44,960
can't end this right now

4150
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:48,640
lose okay have have you

4151
02:35:56,150 --> 02:35:52,319
had somebody advise you

4152
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:56,160
on where and what not to say

4153
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:58,319
to run interference for instance like

4154
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:00,160
during this broadcast tonight

4155
02:36:04,150 --> 02:36:03,520
uh did you get a text right dude slow

4156
02:36:06,469 --> 02:36:04,160
down

4157
02:36:07,429 --> 02:36:06,479
this isn't a zone that you need to go

4158
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:07,439
into

4159
02:36:14,150 --> 02:36:12,240
um are are you free of that or

4160
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:14,160
do you get do you get a phone call once

4161
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:15,840
in a while from the man

4162
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:18,319
well i i know my left and right limits i

4163
02:36:21,750 --> 02:36:19,920
i've worked for the man for long enough

4164
02:36:22,230 --> 02:36:21,760
where i i know how to mine my p's and

4165
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:22,240
q's

4166
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:25,680
um you know i i i if i get a call it's

4167
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:27,120
because i said something wrong

4168
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:30,880
um you know it's uh do i get texts

4169
02:36:37,349 --> 02:36:34,000
all the time but um

4170
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:37,359
i'm i'm very careful um

4171
02:36:40,630 --> 02:36:39,120
in the way i have a conversation and

4172
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:40,640
again i know probably it's frustrating

4173
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:41,920
for some people they probably look at

4174
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:43,200
that and saying oh you know you're being

4175
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:44,720
evasive and whatnot yeah i am

4176
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:47,040
i am being a basis aside sometimes

4177
02:36:50,710 --> 02:36:48,800
because there's other things at stake

4178
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:50,720
it's not just about lou elizondo and

4179
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:51,920
this is what i keep trying to drive home

4180
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:52,880
to people

4181
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:55,600
you know this is the problem with this

4182
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:56,960
topic is that there are so many

4183
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:58,800
personalities in this topic and you all

4184
02:37:02,070 --> 02:37:00,640
of a sudden when you're in a position

4185
02:37:03,590 --> 02:37:02,080
where people think you have some sort of

4186
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:03,600
authority you get put up on this

4187
02:37:06,070 --> 02:37:04,160
pedestal

4188
02:37:07,750 --> 02:37:06,080
where you are this almost this demigod

4189
02:37:09,750 --> 02:37:07,760
right and no matter what you say

4190
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:09,760
that's taken his gospel and that's

4191
02:37:12,950 --> 02:37:12,080
dangerous that that's exactly what we

4192
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:12,960
don't need

4193
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:15,840
what we need is is is conversation and

4194
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:17,200
discussion and dialogue and

4195
02:37:20,150 --> 02:37:18,399
collaboration

4196
02:37:21,670 --> 02:37:20,160
we don't need someone standing up on a

4197
02:37:22,469 --> 02:37:21,680
podium saying this is the way it shall

4198
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:22,479
be and

4199
02:37:26,469 --> 02:37:24,880
you know it's it's the way i think about

4200
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:26,479
it is the answer you know all that other

4201
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:27,200
stuff is

4202
02:37:32,389 --> 02:37:31,200
is nonsense i i don't think that's

4203
02:37:33,990 --> 02:37:32,399
helpful and

4204
02:37:35,670 --> 02:37:34,000
you know that's why i refrain from

4205
02:37:36,389 --> 02:37:35,680
giving my opinion most of the time

4206
02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:36,399
because

4207
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:37,840
at the end of the day jimmy it doesn't

4208
02:37:41,429 --> 02:37:39,439
matter what my opinion is

4209
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:41,439
what matters are what facts and the data

4210
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:44,000
says and it's very very important i

4211
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:44,640
could get

4212
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:46,080
i could spend the next 10 hours telling

4213
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:48,319
you what i think but at the end of the

4214
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:49,600
day it's just what i think

4215
02:37:53,270 --> 02:37:51,439
and i've sold i've said this before to

4216
02:37:54,710 --> 02:37:53,280
people the one thing i've learned in

4217
02:37:57,110 --> 02:37:54,720
intelligence is that you can be

4218
02:37:59,270 --> 02:37:57,120
absolutely certain of something and

4219
02:38:01,030 --> 02:37:59,280
still be absolutely wrong

4220
02:38:02,309 --> 02:38:01,040
and i don't want to be in that category

4221
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:02,319
i don't want to be there's too much at

4222
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:03,439
stake i don't want to be held

4223
02:38:06,790 --> 02:38:04,479
responsible

4224
02:38:08,389 --> 02:38:06,800
for leading people down a road turns out

4225
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:08,399
to be bs

4226
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:10,240
that's that's that would be the worst

4227
02:38:13,190 --> 02:38:11,520
thing i could do this this

4228
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:13,200
this community is fraught with hucksters

4229
02:38:16,950 --> 02:38:15,280
and shysters and and people that have

4230
02:38:18,790 --> 02:38:16,960
have made a living of defrauding other

4231
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:18,800
human beings off their hard earned money

4232
02:38:23,429 --> 02:38:21,200
and all in in search of the truth and i

4233
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:23,439
think that's a perversion of the truth

4234
02:38:27,190 --> 02:38:25,520
you know i'm not doing this to get rich

4235
02:38:28,710 --> 02:38:27,200
hell i last two years i was living in a

4236
02:38:31,429 --> 02:38:28,720
trailer literally

4237
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:31,439
so you know this is it hasn't been easy

4238
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:32,800
i'm doing this because i

4239
02:38:36,150 --> 02:38:34,800
really believe in what i'm doing just

4240
02:38:37,030 --> 02:38:36,160
like you really believe in what you're

4241
02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:37,040
doing

4242
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:41,280
and um i'll leave it at that that's why

4243
02:38:44,469 --> 02:38:43,120
that's why i don't offer my opinion that

4244
02:38:47,510 --> 02:38:44,479
often well

4245
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:47,520
you uh and we talked about this earlier

4246
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:50,880
and and i told you that lou i told you

4247
02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:53,120
you need to remember what you just said

4248
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:54,720
so you can say it again

4249
02:39:00,309 --> 02:38:58,080
and what happened we forgot right

4250
02:39:01,670 --> 02:39:00,319
okay so let's see if we i can pull this

4251
02:39:04,790 --> 02:39:01,680
out of you again

4252
02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:04,800
which is this you have got a lot

4253
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:08,560
of of of fans out there i'll uh

4254
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:12,160
let's just leave it there but

4255
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:16,880
that have put you up into a position

4256
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:20,640
that uh deity right

4257
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:25,280
almost uh a a godlike uh spot

4258
02:39:32,389 --> 02:39:28,880
you are are you cognizant of that

4259
02:39:34,469 --> 02:39:32,399
and do you believe the hype

4260
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:34,479
right okay well first of all i'm

4261
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:36,240
cognizant that a lot of people give me

4262
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:38,880
credit that i don't deserve

4263
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:41,359
and do i believe the hype absolutely not

4264
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:43,359
i i am i'm not one of those guys that

4265
02:39:48,950 --> 02:39:44,160
never have been

4266
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:48,960
um i i am um profoundly boring i'm sure

4267
02:39:55,429 --> 02:39:52,479
if you were to ever meet me in person um

4268
02:39:56,389 --> 02:39:55,439
you know i that is for me that is the

4269
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:56,399
devil

4270
02:40:00,630 --> 02:39:59,040
so many people start believing the hype

4271
02:40:02,309 --> 02:40:00,640
and they start believing what people are

4272
02:40:04,870 --> 02:40:02,319
telling them about themselves

4273
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:04,880
instead of remaining true to themselves

4274
02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:06,560
and then the next thing you know

4275
02:40:11,910 --> 02:40:09,760
they're lost they're gone and and

4276
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:11,920
that's a real danger you know i

4277
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:13,840
fortunately for me i've spent my life in

4278
02:40:17,429 --> 02:40:14,800
the shadows

4279
02:40:19,429 --> 02:40:17,439
so i i love my anonymity i love my

4280
02:40:20,469 --> 02:40:19,439
privacy i tend to be very introverted

4281
02:40:22,630 --> 02:40:20,479
even though people see me

4282
02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:22,640
oh you're very extroverted i'm actually

4283
02:40:25,110 --> 02:40:24,000
not a very introverted

4284
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:25,120
uh that's i mean hell that's why they

4285
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:26,240
live in the live in the middle of

4286
02:40:31,590 --> 02:40:27,840
nowhere wyoming right

4287
02:40:34,070 --> 02:40:31,600
um for me i think it's important that we

4288
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:34,080
always remain grounded remember where we

4289
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:35,840
come from remember where we're trying to

4290
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:38,319
go and make sure that when you climb

4291
02:40:41,510 --> 02:40:39,439
that mountain

4292
02:40:42,870 --> 02:40:41,520
you always reach a hand down to pull

4293
02:40:45,910 --> 02:40:42,880
somebody up

4294
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:45,920
um that has been my philosophy

4295
02:40:51,190 --> 02:40:49,120
from day one and and leadership in

4296
02:40:52,630 --> 02:40:51,200
in the government i think is oftentimes

4297
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:52,640
misunderstood

4298
02:40:58,630 --> 02:40:55,840
uh with with with management

4299
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:58,640
um leadership is a unique quality and

4300
02:41:01,190 --> 02:41:00,080
and a leader will never tell you they're

4301
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:01,200
a leader

4302
02:41:10,070 --> 02:41:06,640
role by other people

4303
02:41:14,630 --> 02:41:10,080
never themselves um i

4304
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:14,640
i i do my best to always try to

4305
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:16,640
leave this planet maybe in a little bit

4306
02:41:21,670 --> 02:41:18,720
better condition than i found it

4307
02:41:22,389 --> 02:41:21,680
um i always try to pay it forward um

4308
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:22,399
i've had

4309
02:41:25,910 --> 02:41:24,000
unfortunately had to do some horrible

4310
02:41:29,030 --> 02:41:25,920
things in my life uh

4311
02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:29,040
and in times of conflict um

4312
02:41:33,590 --> 02:41:32,080
you know these are things that uh

4313
02:41:35,349 --> 02:41:33,600
nobody should ever have to do

4314
02:41:35,990 --> 02:41:35,359
unfortunately but the reality is that

4315
02:41:37,990 --> 02:41:36,000
that

4316
02:41:39,590 --> 02:41:38,000
uh this is not a perfect world and we

4317
02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:39,600
have to do what we have to do sometimes

4318
02:41:45,830 --> 02:41:42,800
um but uh

4319
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:45,840
for me i i always remember i always

4320
02:41:48,630 --> 02:41:47,040
remember where i came from and i

4321
02:41:49,750 --> 02:41:48,640
remember where people come from

4322
02:41:51,910 --> 02:41:49,760
because at the end of the day it's all

4323
02:41:54,150 --> 02:41:51,920
about people um there shouldn't be any

4324
02:41:57,190 --> 02:41:54,160
my team versus your team team lou

4325
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:57,200
or team jimmy or whatever we're all on

4326
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:58,160
the same team

4327
02:42:01,510 --> 02:41:59,920
this is this is this is all of us

4328
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:01,520
together and

4329
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:03,680
and i think i think people are beginning

4330
02:42:06,389 --> 02:42:05,279
to realize that now i think people

4331
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:06,399
realize that

4332
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:08,800
that really the future is in is in

4333
02:42:13,349 --> 02:42:10,319
everybody's hands

4334
02:42:15,990 --> 02:42:13,359
don't look at me to solve your problems

4335
02:42:17,750 --> 02:42:16,000
i will help you by enabling you and

4336
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:17,760
giving you all the tools and resources

4337
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:18,720
necessary

4338
02:42:22,230 --> 02:42:21,120
but at the end of the day you have to be

4339
02:42:24,550 --> 02:42:22,240
responsible

4340
02:42:26,309 --> 02:42:24,560
for for taking ownership and also

4341
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:26,319
solving this problems and that's why

4342
02:42:29,429 --> 02:42:28,240
i love ufo twitter so much these folks

4343
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:29,439
are writing congress they're writing

4344
02:42:32,469 --> 02:42:30,960
their elected officials they're

4345
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:32,479
they're they're having the conversation

4346
02:42:37,110 --> 02:42:34,080
they're talking to media

4347
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:37,120
it's it's it's an amazing and beautiful

4348
02:42:41,269 --> 02:42:37,600
thing

4349
02:42:44,070 --> 02:42:41,279
to to to witness and be part of um

4350
02:42:46,150 --> 02:42:44,080
but make no mistake i am not ufo twitter

4351
02:42:48,630 --> 02:42:46,160
if i die tomorrow this this

4352
02:42:50,469 --> 02:42:48,640
topic is going to continue and and it's

4353
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:50,479
going to continue to grow and become

4354
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:52,479
better and better and better

4355
02:42:55,910 --> 02:42:55,200
um so my advice to anybody that's out

4356
02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:55,920
there

4357
02:43:00,309 --> 02:42:58,479
um you know look at me as a as a member

4358
02:43:03,990 --> 02:43:00,319
of your squad as your team

4359
02:43:06,630 --> 02:43:04,000
um of your of your fire team

4360
02:43:07,990 --> 02:43:06,640
none of us are are any more important or

4361
02:43:10,150 --> 02:43:08,000
less important than anybody else

4362
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:10,160
we all have a role to play we all are a

4363
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:12,080
specific tool in the tool bag

4364
02:43:17,590 --> 02:43:15,359
um i just happen to be a screw driver

4365
02:43:19,110 --> 02:43:17,600
but you might be a wrench and someone

4366
02:43:19,830 --> 02:43:19,120
else has a hammer and you know someone

4367
02:43:22,150 --> 02:43:19,840
else's

4368
02:43:24,309 --> 02:43:22,160
is something else and we all do what we

4369
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:24,319
can from from that perspective

4370
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:26,479
thank you so much lou uh what a great

4371
02:43:30,950 --> 02:43:27,760
conversation and

4372
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:30,960
again i i i look forward to the the next

4373
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:32,479
time that you're on with us

4374
02:43:37,030 --> 02:43:35,040
and let's take this all uh a step

4375
02:43:38,950 --> 02:43:37,040
further thank you so much

4376
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,960
yeah thanks for having me it was a great

4377
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:40,399
conversation

4378
02:43:44,950 --> 02:43:43,359
perfect have a great night be safe take

4379
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:44,960
care of your family we are in the middle

4380
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:46,960
of a pandemic that's not over

4381
02:43:51,750 --> 02:43:48,720
hey you know what we didn't even talk

4382
02:43:54,070 --> 02:43:51,760
covet we did two and a half hours

4383
02:43:55,030 --> 02:43:54,080
thank you so much thank you jamie have a

4384
02:43:56,950 --> 02:43:55,040
great night and

4385
02:43:59,269 --> 02:43:56,960
with that i am going to take a quick

4386
02:44:01,030 --> 02:43:59,279
break as everybody noticed i blew right

4387
02:44:01,349 --> 02:44:01,040
through a commercial break and i kept

4388
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:01,359
lou

4389
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:04,399
on the air he didn't know it that was my

4390
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:06,960
psychological twist on lou he didn't

4391
02:44:09,590 --> 02:44:07,520
know

4392
02:44:10,950 --> 02:44:09,600
i was playing him did you like that luke

4393
02:44:12,950 --> 02:44:10,960
that was cool huh

4394
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:12,960
yeah that was great man actually uh i

4395
02:44:17,429 --> 02:44:15,840
would have hired you three years ago

4396
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:17,439
had i been in the government have a

4397
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:20,000
great night man thank you so much

4398
02:44:23,030 --> 02:44:22,080
date to black i am your host jimmy

4399
02:44:25,269 --> 02:44:23,040
church follow lou

4400
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:25,279
on twitter at lou elizondo you can

4401
02:44:29,110 --> 02:44:27,439
follow me on twitter at jchurchradio

4402
02:44:30,550 --> 02:44:29,120
i've got time for a few phone calls

4403
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:30,560
we'll do that when i come back after

4404
02:44:46,469 --> 02:44:44,950
hey what up joshua fox here and you are

4405
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:46,479
listening to my boy

4406
02:44:57,610 --> 02:44:54,950
despite popular opinion reading a book

4407
02:44:59,190 --> 02:44:57,620
will not make you

4408
02:45:00,910 --> 02:44:59,200
[Music]

4409
02:45:02,309 --> 02:45:00,920
to jimmy smarter will

4410
02:45:03,990 --> 02:45:02,319
[Applause]

4411
02:45:06,070 --> 02:45:04,000
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4412
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4487
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[Music]

4488
02:48:21,530 --> 02:48:20,309
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

4489
02:48:23,750 --> 02:48:21,540
jimmy church

4490
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:23,760
[Music]

4491
02:48:27,190 --> 02:48:26,399
there you go lou elizondo what a great

4492
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:27,200
conversation

4493
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:28,880
i could have kept it going out of

4494
02:48:34,309 --> 02:48:31,279
respect to lou

4495
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:34,319
um uh yeah yeah i could have kept it

4496
02:48:38,550 --> 02:48:35,840
going but

4497
02:48:39,190 --> 02:48:38,560
uh wow what a conversation what did you

4498
02:48:40,950 --> 02:48:39,200
think seven

4499
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:40,960
four seven two two eight two zero five

4500
02:48:44,950 --> 02:48:42,640
one i've uh

4501
02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:44,960
got enough time here for a couple of

4502
02:48:50,710 --> 02:48:47,040
calls and i'll get to that in a second

4503
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:50,720
but uh there was uh uh so much

4504
02:48:54,790 --> 02:48:53,359
of course that was left on the table and

4505
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:54,800
we will save all of that

4506
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:58,000
uh for a future show and and

4507
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,680
and do it once again with lou but that

4508
02:49:04,389 --> 02:49:01,359
was a great conversation

4509
02:49:07,030 --> 02:49:04,399
and i hope that uh i got

4510
02:49:07,750 --> 02:49:07,040
uh enough in tonight for everybody there

4511
02:49:10,469 --> 02:49:07,760
was just

4512
02:49:11,030 --> 02:49:10,479
so many lots of questions were coming in

4513
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:11,040
and

4514
02:49:15,990 --> 02:49:14,800
but uh that was great that was a great

4515
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:16,000
conversation

4516
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:18,319
and uh there you go i'm looking at some

4517
02:49:23,750 --> 02:49:21,040
of the of the uh the comments in twitter

4518
02:49:24,830 --> 02:49:23,760
and and i agree but but then again you

4519
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:24,840
have to go back

4520
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:28,319
and and listen to how how lou said it

4521
02:49:33,349 --> 02:49:29,279
you know hey

4522
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:33,359
uh uh i i i'm i'm being evasive because

4523
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:34,720
i have to be

4524
02:49:42,150 --> 02:49:38,479
and uh i'm of course uh paraphrasing but

4525
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:42,160
that's uh that's the nature of of

4526
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:44,960
of not only uh himself personally but

4527
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:46,720
what we are dealing with here

4528
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:49,359
and his connections and and his oaths

4529
02:49:53,110 --> 02:49:49,840
and and

4530
02:49:57,030 --> 02:49:53,120
everything else but that being said

4531
02:49:59,190 --> 02:49:57,040
very open and uh i don't think

4532
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:59,200
i don't think he didn't answer uh a

4533
02:50:03,030 --> 02:50:00,880
question

4534
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:03,040
yeah yeah that was pretty cool that was

4535
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:05,520
pretty cool i need to digest this

4536
02:50:08,630 --> 02:50:07,359
uh as well as everybody else so with

4537
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:08,640
that let's go to the phones hi you're

4538
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:15,830
you're live hello

4539
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:22,560
so uh just curious like about the whole

4540
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:24,640
consciousness phenomena behold behind

4541
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:25,920
this whole thing you know that's kind of

4542
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:26,240
the

4543
02:50:30,389 --> 02:50:28,000
uh main thing i kind of wanted to hear

4544
02:50:33,670 --> 02:50:30,399
about um

4545
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:33,680
you know i'm just uh what what's your

4546
02:50:39,400 --> 02:50:34,240
name

4547
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:39,410
john okay john

4548
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:47,830
what do you mean consciousness so

4549
02:50:55,429 --> 02:50:51,680
i mean that there are different you know

4550
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:55,439
parts of reality that are based off of

4551
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:57,040
different levels like that so i'm just

4552
02:51:00,550 --> 02:50:58,720
wondering

4553
02:51:02,870 --> 02:51:00,560
you know i mean there are different

4554
02:51:06,309 --> 02:51:02,880
parts of

4555
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:06,319
that i'm just uh i don't know

4556
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:10,800
wondering now that's the question

4557
02:51:15,910 --> 02:51:13,680
okay you're breaking up there john but

4558
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:15,920
um i think where you're going with this

4559
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:18,720
would be the subject of another show i

4560
02:51:21,910 --> 02:51:20,399
mean when it comes to and i want to

4561
02:51:25,190 --> 02:51:21,920
thank you for the phone call

4562
02:51:28,230 --> 02:51:25,200
um when it comes to this um

4563
02:51:30,309 --> 02:51:28,240
and and consciousness and and contact we

4564
02:51:33,349 --> 02:51:30,319
didn't get into that tonight on the show

4565
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:33,359
that is such a broad broad

4566
02:51:37,030 --> 02:51:36,160
subject um but i think that it is

4567
02:51:40,469 --> 02:51:37,040
something that

4568
02:51:43,990 --> 02:51:40,479
uh everybody is interested in

4569
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:44,000
i don't know uh lou's take on any of

4570
02:51:48,230 --> 02:51:44,800
that but

4571
02:51:51,510 --> 02:51:48,240
uh i'll i'll do that on a future show

4572
02:51:53,590 --> 02:51:51,520
and uh like i said that's a broad broad

4573
02:51:54,550 --> 02:51:53,600
conversation that's a that's a full show

4574
02:51:56,469 --> 02:51:54,560
in itself

4575
02:51:58,630 --> 02:51:56,479
but it's something that we are all

4576
02:52:00,550 --> 02:51:58,640
interested in i know

4577
02:52:02,469 --> 02:52:00,560
um and i'm gonna make this brief because

4578
02:52:06,950 --> 02:52:02,479
i've got calls on hold

4579
02:52:07,830 --> 02:52:06,960
i know that i can go out with a group of

4580
02:52:11,750 --> 02:52:07,840
friends

4581
02:52:14,309 --> 02:52:11,760
and have a positive uh mindset

4582
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:14,319
and want to see something and then all

4583
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:15,680
of a sudden

4584
02:52:23,030 --> 02:52:19,279
something happens and i i don't know

4585
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:23,040
what's going on there but it seems to me

4586
02:52:26,469 --> 02:52:25,840
that there is a direct connection with

4587
02:52:29,670 --> 02:52:26,479
us as

4588
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:29,680
as individuals i don't know what that is

4589
02:52:32,950 --> 02:52:31,760
but i am fascinated with that let's go

4590
02:52:35,110 --> 02:52:32,960
back to the phones how you're live on

4591
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:35,120
fade to black who's calling

4592
02:52:38,710 --> 02:52:37,120
the subject of another show i mean when

4593
02:52:39,910 --> 02:52:38,720
it comes oh you gotta turn me down in

4594
02:52:43,349 --> 02:52:39,920
the background

4595
02:52:45,590 --> 02:52:43,359
um when it comes to this hello yes

4596
02:52:47,910 --> 02:52:45,600
turn me down in the background i'm doing

4597
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:47,920
it right now jimmy

4598
02:52:51,429 --> 02:52:50,160
how are you okay who's this take me out

4599
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:51,439
speaker

4600
02:52:55,670 --> 02:52:54,080
oh okay sorry about that this is joe

4601
02:52:58,950 --> 02:52:55,680
from huntsville alabama

4602
02:53:02,870 --> 02:52:58,960
you

4603
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:02,880
well it was a pretty fun show what did

4604
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:04,080
you think

4605
02:53:08,150 --> 02:53:06,479
i i thought it was one of the best

4606
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:08,160
interviews you've done

4607
02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:10,960
uh i i thought it was great that you had

4608
02:53:14,950 --> 02:53:13,279
you had you finally had lu on

4609
02:53:16,550 --> 02:53:14,960
the thing that i think is incredibly

4610
02:53:18,230 --> 02:53:16,560
interesting

4611
02:53:19,830 --> 02:53:18,240
and and i'm somebody who came out of the

4612
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:19,840
government uh

4613
02:53:25,590 --> 02:53:22,800
but have been around the the topic of

4614
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:25,600
the phenomenon for about 30 years

4615
02:53:33,429 --> 02:53:29,359
what i've found interesting is is after

4616
02:53:37,590 --> 02:53:33,439
the 2017 new york times article

4617
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:37,600
everyone seems so confused

4618
02:53:46,309 --> 02:53:41,920
by the concept of something flying

4619
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:46,319
in restricted airspace as being a threat

4620
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:50,080
now if if the morning of

4621
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:53,520
september 11 2001 at 10 o'clock in the

4622
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:55,600
morning eastern time

4623
02:53:58,630 --> 02:53:57,920
if there would have been a report that

4624
02:54:01,910 --> 02:53:58,640
came out

4625
02:54:05,110 --> 02:54:01,920
that there was an unidentified plane

4626
02:54:07,510 --> 02:54:05,120
that wasn't responding to communications

4627
02:54:09,030 --> 02:54:07,520
nobody knew who was flying it where it

4628
02:54:11,429 --> 02:54:09,040
came from

4629
02:54:13,349 --> 02:54:11,439
what its intentions were but it was

4630
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:13,359
flying over the white house

4631
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:15,680
people would be freaking out and the

4632
02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:18,399
government we trying to shoot it down

4633
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:22,560
but here we are almost 20 years later

4634
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:26,000
and we've got validated reports from

4635
02:54:30,070 --> 02:54:29,120
the department of defense stating that

4636
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:30,080
there are

4637
02:54:36,550 --> 02:54:33,120
quote unidentified craft

4638
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:36,560
aircraft if you will flying over even

4639
02:54:43,830 --> 02:54:41,120
even more restricted airspace than than

4640
02:54:44,150 --> 02:54:43,840
in some cases maybe even the white house

4641
02:54:45,670 --> 02:54:44,160
but

4642
02:54:47,590 --> 02:54:45,680
nobody seems to be able to get their

4643
02:54:50,550 --> 02:54:47,600
head around why that's a threat

4644
02:54:51,190 --> 02:54:50,560
and these are craft that we have no idea

4645
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:51,200
what they are

4646
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:53,120
they're clearly not in the u.s inventory

4647
02:54:58,790 --> 02:54:55,439
that's been confirmed by the government

4648
02:55:02,550 --> 02:54:58,800
and i i guess the narrative

4649
02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:02,560
of the naysayers is just very confusing

4650
02:55:06,070 --> 02:55:04,000
and conflicting i think

4651
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:06,080
what you did tonight was help provide a

4652
02:55:09,510 --> 02:55:08,240
lot of important context

4653
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:09,520
the other thing that i thought was

4654
02:55:14,469 --> 02:55:11,359
incredibly interesting and i really

4655
02:55:16,230 --> 02:55:14,479
think the the the listeners

4656
02:55:17,910 --> 02:55:16,240
just across the community need to be

4657
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:17,920
very appreciative of you

4658
02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:19,279
is the fact that i think what was

4659
02:55:24,550 --> 02:55:21,760
highlighted tonight is what's needed

4660
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:24,560
is a disclosure caucus at the

4661
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:25,920
congressional level so

4662
02:55:29,349 --> 02:55:28,560
you know to me the the community at

4663
02:55:32,550 --> 02:55:29,359
large that's

4664
02:55:35,750 --> 02:55:32,560
out there that wants to

4665
02:55:36,389 --> 02:55:35,760
throw stones every time someone comes

4666
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:36,399
out with

4667
02:55:41,429 --> 02:55:39,680
facts verifiable facts which i think

4668
02:55:43,990 --> 02:55:41,439
lose a lot of the lose

4669
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:44,000
data that lose put out is is can be

4670
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:46,399
verified

4671
02:55:50,070 --> 02:55:48,880
barring that why does those same

4672
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:50,080
community

4673
02:55:56,070 --> 02:55:54,479
go to their politicians and lobby for a

4674
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:56,080
disclosure caucus

4675
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:58,560
because there seems to be a caucus for

4676
02:56:02,230 --> 02:55:59,200
almost

4677
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:02,240
every uh area of interest or special

4678
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:02,640
interest

4679
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:05,680
group and to me the the the community at

4680
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:08,319
large that's so passionate about this

4681
02:56:12,389 --> 02:56:11,120
should be involved in a grassroots

4682
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:12,399
campaign

4683
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:15,200
that pushes members of congress to work

4684
02:56:19,110 --> 02:56:16,800
in a bipartisan fashion

4685
02:56:20,790 --> 02:56:19,120
across the aisle to establish a

4686
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:20,800
disclosure caucus and then

4687
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:22,880
you know the community at large can can

4688
02:56:26,389 --> 02:56:24,880
take their issue to the polls

4689
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:26,399
politicians who are a member of the

4690
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:28,640
caucus can get support

4691
02:56:32,469 --> 02:56:30,319
and the ones who don't support

4692
02:56:34,230 --> 02:56:32,479
disclosure or who are not a member of

4693
02:56:36,150 --> 02:56:34,240
the disclosure caucus

4694
02:56:38,070 --> 02:56:36,160
should not get the vote if it's that

4695
02:56:40,710 --> 02:56:38,080
important to the

4696
02:56:42,070 --> 02:56:40,720
the traditional ufo community or the

4697
02:56:45,110 --> 02:56:42,080
ufologists

4698
02:56:46,950 --> 02:56:45,120
or the those interested in the uap topic

4699
02:56:49,269 --> 02:56:46,960
but i i think you did an amazing job

4700
02:56:50,550 --> 02:56:49,279
jimmy uh you asked a lot of hard

4701
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:50,560
questions

4702
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:52,800
and and god bless you we just we we

4703
02:56:56,630 --> 02:56:54,319
appreciate the fact that

4704
02:56:58,790 --> 02:56:56,640
you know you're you're raising awareness

4705
02:57:02,070 --> 02:56:58,800
on such an important topic

4706
02:57:04,070 --> 02:57:02,080
thank you joe and uh enjoy

4707
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:04,080
the rest of your evening man thank you

4708
02:57:08,550 --> 02:57:05,279
so much

4709
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:08,560
you too thank you jimmy thank you have a

4710
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:09,920
great night

4711
02:57:17,510 --> 02:57:14,399
and uh yeah yeah the disclosure caucus

4712
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i mean would that even be possible

4713
02:57:23,830 --> 02:57:20,640
um i i still say we should have a

4714
02:57:25,190 --> 02:57:23,840
a disclosure march right the million

4715
02:57:27,510 --> 02:57:25,200
disclosure march

4716
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:27,520
we should we should uh do something like

4717
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:29,120
that we should organize it

4718
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:32,560
and i think it would be fun and uh

4719
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:35,120
successful too as well i've got time for

4720
02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:36,080
one more call

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02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:37,520
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4722
02:57:42,230 --> 02:57:40,720
calling hey what's up jimmy this is dave

4723
02:57:44,150 --> 02:57:42,240
and lori and clint how are you doing

4724
02:57:45,590 --> 02:57:44,160
tonight bro i'm doing fantastic how are

4725
02:57:49,269 --> 02:57:45,600
you guys doing

4726
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:49,279
oh my goodness this is amazing i met tom

4727
02:57:55,349 --> 02:57:51,200
delong in the ice palace

4728
02:57:57,670 --> 02:57:55,359
back in um uh early early 2000's when he

4729
02:57:59,110 --> 02:57:57,680
had uh is he answering questions well

4730
02:58:00,950 --> 02:57:59,120
i'm just i'm just saying he's

4731
02:58:02,630 --> 02:58:00,960
is uh louis answering questions right

4732
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:02,640
now no lose off the air

4733
02:58:05,830 --> 02:58:04,880
and i've got about okay i've got about

4734
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:05,840
30 seconds

4735
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:08,399
left okay did you guys have you ever

4736
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:09,120
heard of the

4737
02:58:13,429 --> 02:58:11,040
um have you ever heard of that giant in

4738
02:58:15,510 --> 02:58:13,439
afghanistan that all the uh soldiers

4739
02:58:18,150 --> 02:58:15,520
like caught or whatever i guess have you

4740
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:18,160
ever heard of that we have heard

4741
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:20,880
yeah i've heard the stories about it um

4742
02:58:23,910 --> 02:58:21,200
yeah

4743
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:23,920
about that i was wondering what what you

4744
02:58:26,630 --> 02:58:24,960
thought about that

4745
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:26,640
well i don't have enough time to answer

4746
02:58:28,870 --> 02:58:28,560
tonight did you guys did you guys know

4747
02:58:32,550 --> 02:58:28,880
what

4748
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:32,560
jimmy did you guys just know amazing

4749
02:58:35,590 --> 02:58:34,800
did you guys enjoy the conversation

4750
02:58:39,510 --> 02:58:35,600
tonight with lou

4751
02:58:43,510 --> 02:58:39,520
yes sir oh my god yeah absolutely

4752
02:58:46,070 --> 02:58:43,520
absolutely pour away thankfully

4753
02:58:46,950 --> 02:58:46,080
thank you so much thank you to the stars

4754
02:58:49,429 --> 02:58:46,960
i'm all it's

4755
02:58:50,469 --> 02:58:49,439
amazing you guys are the best enjoy the

4756
02:58:52,550 --> 02:58:50,479
rest of your night

4757
02:58:54,230 --> 02:58:52,560
and we'll see you tomorrow yes sir you

4758
02:58:55,349 --> 02:58:54,240
have a beautiful night brother and go

4759
02:58:58,550 --> 02:58:55,359
exactly

4760
02:59:00,550 --> 02:58:58,560
there you go man fade to black and uh

4761
02:59:02,630 --> 02:59:00,560
dave and laurie and clint out there in

4762
02:59:04,790 --> 02:59:02,640
georgia you guys uh thank you so much

4763
02:59:07,510 --> 02:59:04,800
what a great conversation tonight

4764
02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:07,520
and uh tomorrow night right here on fade

4765
02:59:11,349 --> 02:59:08,160
to black

4766
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:11,359
daryl anka bashar what an

4767
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:13,600
amazing week on the show this is

4768
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:14,800
somebody pinch me

4769
02:59:21,030 --> 02:59:18,080
this this is why i do this everybody

4770
02:59:22,550 --> 02:59:21,040
all right love the community love the

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02:59:25,750 --> 02:59:22,560
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02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:25,760
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02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:28,080
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02:59:42,950 --> 02:59:40,880
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02:59:44,630 --> 02:59:42,960
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02:59:51,590 --> 02:59:49,399
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4786
02:59:55,030 --> 02:59:53,120
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4787
02:59:56,630 --> 02:59:55,040
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02:59:57,349 --> 02:59:56,640
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02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:57,359
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4790
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:59,200
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03:00:02,790 --> 03:00:01,120
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03:00:04,230 --> 03:00:02,800
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4793
03:00:06,790 --> 03:00:04,240
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4794
03:00:08,710 --> 03:00:06,800
i'm your host jimmy church tomorrow

4795
03:00:12,710 --> 03:00:08,720
night darylanka

4796
03:00:25,330 --> 03:00:12,720
until then i want everybody to be safe

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03:00:31,820 --> 03:00:25,340
fade to black

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[Music]

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so